MORE Reasons We're Not Forking-Over Our Guns to a Government That Just Bought 1.4B Rounds of Ammo...

Reaganite Republican ^ | 09 January 2013 | Reaganite Republican

[Reaganite Republican]

You didn't hear about all that?

Plenty more cause-to-suspect the intentions of this vile regime where that came from, and do keep in mind that the 2nd Amendment to the Constitution was intended to protect the populace from the actions of a tyrannical government
-it wasn't meant for hunting, or even stopping stage-coach robberies- it's there primarily to defend Liberty from precisely the type of megalomaniacal leaders we find ourselves saddled with today...

• Powerful CA Senator Diane Feinstein has come right-out and stated her end-goal as confiscation of ALL guns in this country...

• President Obama has twice called for a
  'Civilian National Security Force' just as strong, just as well-armed as the U.S. military

• DHS has now ordered over 1.4 BILLION rounds of ammo in the last six months (!), much of it sniper-caliber, hollow-tip, etc.. so just when will we be allowed to ask Janet Napolitano why her highly-politicized -and now militarized- Homeland Security Department has stocked up 25+ rounds for each and every Republican...?

• And what's up with the (unknown # of) steel, bulletproof checkpoint booths..?

• Or all the 'urgent' order for new riot gear?

• Then there's the leaked US Army training manual entitled 'Civil Disturbance Operations', which besides other things spells-out how to confiscate weapons, quell rioting, and even kill American citizens. 
  
  Among the many thought-provoking passages in the pamphlet are 'warning shot will not be fired' and one describing how 'political activists' will be 
  're-educated' into developing an 'appreciation of 
  U.S. policies'. 
  
  

  While the Army's willingness to obey illegal orders is in-doubt, another outfit to worry about would be FEMA, the federal emergency agency first established to aid the population and guarantee a continuation-of-government in the event of WWIII. 
  
  Even though that Soviet threat no longer exists, the powers of FEMA have been expanded radically, to the point where it is the only government entity with the potential ability to suspend the Constitution, confiscate property, and -yes- kill people as it sees fit... all it takes is the type of executive order President Obama is already oh-so-very fond of. 
  
  
  FEMA relocation schemes and large-scale (concentration) camp expansions are plenty disconcerting, too: the largest of these sites lays just outside Fairbanks, Alaska (our Siberia!)- featuring a gargantuan mental-health facility, it can hold up to two million detainees.
  
  Note that the Soviet Union often shipped recalcitrant, politically-irritating people off to the 'happy home'
  for fixing as well.
  
  
  And what's up with the Social Security Administration also stocking-up on
  hollow-tip rounds?
  
  
  OR the freaking National Weather Service acquiring the same type of high-powered ammo...?
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[Reaganite Republican]

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[Little Pig]

The breathlessness is overwhelming.

The “big” order for ammo, from DHS, is a 5-year contract i.e. delivery over 5 years, so it’s not nearly as much as it seems. Further, a huge chunk of that will get eaten up by re-qualification and training. I did the math out at one point, and it came down to leaving barely enough for a couple of duty magazines for each armed DHS agent, assuming *none* of the ammo was set aside for training academies, and instead was all allotted to the active-duty agents. Very likely, once you divide the order amounts out by the number of agents each department employs, and account for delivery over the life of the order and qualification requirements, the number of rounds actively carried drops into low double digits.

The rest of the article has some good points though. The gov today looks and acts less and less like it works for the people.

[Little Pig]

Oh, and the article does engage in a bit of liberal gun-panic too, with comments like “sniper-caliber”. 5.56 and 7.65 are the two common calibers used by the US government, for pretty much every rifle in use today. There is nothing special about them that makes them “sniper” bullets. Now, if the DHS had started ordering 50cal BMG rounds, then I might be a bit worried. Also, the so-called “hollow-point” bullets are what EVERY SINGLE F&#%$ING COP AND GOV “AGENT” ALREADY CARRIES! Once they figured out that 9mm ball wasn’t going to cut it on the streets anymore because the gangbangers were wearing body armor, they started issuing .40cal hollowpoint years ago, and it’s been standard law enforcement issue ever since. This isn’t a new development, and the hollowpoints *are* .40cal handgun rounds; not something you want as your go-to ammo for suppressing major rebellions (or preventing them).

[Vendome]

yeah, when I think sniper rounds I think 308, 300, 338, 41, 46, 47 and 50 cal.

What do I know? /s

[Eye of Unk]

They must really believe the Second American Revolution is on the horizon. Its a shame so many chose poorly.

[RC one]

Hollowpoints are illegal for military use against enemy combatants per the Geneva convention. I guess it’s all right for use against your own citizens though. I personally prefer steel core FMJ anyways.

[Eye of Unk]

I have looked at the terminal results of the green bullets. When regular bullets were gone off the shelves all that were left were the high dollar stuff like the Barnes Triple shocks.

In all honesty there is certain terminal ballistic pluses in these all copper bullets, controlled penetration, expansion and integrity, much more than traditional lead based bullets.

For hunting big game they are now my main choice. They require certain rates of twist and velocity, but the results are far better than the best lead bonded trophy or A frame bullets. And the penetrate barriers quite well, not an AP round but they expand only when meeting a hydraulic substance like flesh.

[broken_arrow1]

NDAA

Martial Law

Probably gold confiscation in next 4 years too

[EricT.]

Alex Jones and Infowars are not what I’d consider reliable sources of information.

[Jerrybob]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Freedoms_%28Norman_Rockwell%29

It doesn't get much more ironic than this. Government, which is supposed to protect and expand our freedoms, is now the greatest enemy of them.

[broken_arrow1]

You missed the point of acquiring and “training” with hollow-point rounds, which are illegal for use in combat by the Geneva Convention. Seems that “We The People” are excluded for consideration...along with indefinite detention and signing orders to kill America s with a stroke of Obama’s pen.

[Perseverando]

Heads up! I sense a cwiiping coming on.

[Chainmail]

Some small misapprehensions with both of your responses: 7.62 NATO is .308 Winchester, more or less, just 5.56 NATO is .223 Remington in civilian. Hollow point ammunition is less effective against body armor than ball ammunition but is far more effective against flesh, so much so that it is a war crime for our armed forces to use it against our enemies.

The amount of ammunition they are buying is staggering: The entire US Atlantic Fleet annual requalification process used about 15 million rounds of .45 ACP circa 1978. What on earth would 500 times that much ammunition be used for, even over 5 years? Why would anyone use expensive and less reliable hollow point ammunition for training?

This whole mess has me losing sleep at night. I think that this regime has planned far more effectively than we have and we are about to find out about it before we have any chance at all to organize and prepare.

[broken_arrow1]

I use to think Alex Jones was extreme in his views also, warning of voting machine manipulation and government confiscating our guns...gee, maybe he was right after all on a lot of it. Maybe Ron Paul wasn’t such a wacko either. They said the same thing about John Birch Society too, but look back at the warnings...

[riverrunner]

Soft body armor worn my most LEOs will stop almost all standard handgun rounds up to and most 44 mag rounds.

The shift from 9mm to 40 came about from the FBI shoot out with 2 bank robbers in 1986,The FBI fired some where around 120 plus rounds contecting with only a few.

They tried to blame poor bullet performance instead of their poor tactics and shooting.

Shooting through body armor is more a velocity thing then a bullet design thing.

The longer ,harder and sharper point a bullet has the less velocity needed. One could make a needle sharp steel core and drive it through armor at fairly low velocity.

Hollow point pistol bullets are easier to stop the ball ammo.

[D Rider]

It is 7.62, and it it the standard sniper round, used in basically a Remington 700. It is also the standard 30 cal machine gun round.

[riverrunner]

Why do LEOs use hollow point instead of ball.

At that volume the price different is most likely not that great.

Only one kind to stock,liability with only kid of ammo it easy to say we train with what we carry.

[riverrunner]

kid should be kind.

[cripplecreek]

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