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To: Reaganite Republican

Oh, and the article does engage in a bit of liberal gun-panic too, with comments like “sniper-caliber”. 5.56 and 7.65 are the two common calibers used by the US government, for pretty much every rifle in use today. There is nothing special about them that makes them “sniper” bullets. Now, if the DHS had started ordering 50cal BMG rounds, then I might be a bit worried. Also, the so-called “hollow-point” bullets are what EVERY SINGLE F&#%$ING COP AND GOV “AGENT” ALREADY CARRIES! Once they figured out that 9mm ball wasn’t going to cut it on the streets anymore because the gangbangers were wearing body armor, they started issuing .40cal hollowpoint years ago, and it’s been standard law enforcement issue ever since. This isn’t a new development, and the hollowpoints *are* .40cal handgun rounds; not something you want as your go-to ammo for suppressing major rebellions (or preventing them).


4 posted on 01/09/2013 3:08:38 AM PST by Little Pig (Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici.)
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To: Little Pig

yeah, when I think sniper rounds I think 308, 300, 338, 41, 46, 47 and 50 cal.

What do I know? /s


5 posted on 01/09/2013 3:22:54 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Little Pig

Hollowpoints are illegal for military use against enemy combatants per the Geneva convention. I guess it’s all right for use against your own citizens though. I personally prefer steel core FMJ anyways.


7 posted on 01/09/2013 3:35:43 AM PST by RC one (.From My Cold Dead Hands.)
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To: Little Pig; Vendome
Some small misapprehensions with both of your responses: 7.62 NATO is .308 Winchester, more or less, just 5.56 NATO is .223 Remington in civilian. Hollow point ammunition is less effective against body armor than ball ammunition but is far more effective against flesh, so much so that it is a war crime for our armed forces to use it against our enemies.

The amount of ammunition they are buying is staggering: The entire US Atlantic Fleet annual requalification process used about 15 million rounds of .45 ACP circa 1978. What on earth would 500 times that much ammunition be used for, even over 5 years? Why would anyone use expensive and less reliable hollow point ammunition for training?

This whole mess has me losing sleep at night. I think that this regime has planned far more effectively than we have and we are about to find out about it before we have any chance at all to organize and prepare.

14 posted on 01/09/2013 4:20:30 AM PST by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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To: Little Pig
Soft body armor worn my most LEOs will stop almost all standard handgun rounds up to and most 44 mag rounds.

The shift from 9mm to 40 came about from the FBI shoot out with 2 bank robbers in 1986,The FBI fired some where around 120 plus rounds contecting with only a few.

They tried to blame poor bullet performance instead of their poor tactics and shooting.

Shooting through body armor is more a velocity thing then a bullet design thing.

The longer ,harder and sharper point a bullet has the less velocity needed. One could make a needle sharp steel core and drive it through armor at fairly low velocity.

Hollow point pistol bullets are easier to stop the ball ammo.

16 posted on 01/09/2013 4:34:01 AM PST by riverrunner
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To: Little Pig

It is 7.62, and it it the standard sniper round, used in basically a Remington 700. It is also the standard 30 cal machine gun round.


17 posted on 01/09/2013 4:34:18 AM PST by D Rider
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To: Little Pig

“isn’t a new development” - I’d be interested to know what were the past orders of ammunition by the government in the last 15 or 20 yrs.; that would clarify a lot and probably allay any possible panic thinking.


21 posted on 01/09/2013 5:00:24 AM PST by Twinkie (The earth is the Lord's, and the fullness thereof; the world and they that dwell therein. Ps. 24:1)
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