WAS OBAMA ONCE AN INDONESIAN CITIZEN? HERE’S WHAT WE FOUND WHEN WE WENT THERE LOOKING

The Blaze ^ | November 5, 2012 | Charles C. Johnson

[Seizethecarp]

To find out more about Obama’s time in Indonesia, TheBlaze tracked down Father Bart Janssen. He’s the elderly founder of Santo Fransiskus Assisis who we found in a monastery in Den Bosch, The Netherlands. We asked him, through a Dutch translator, what he remembers of the young Barack Obama.

Janssen doesn’t remember who registered Obama, but he recalls that Obama’s mother didn’t speak Indonesian at the time, so he thinks that both the stepfather and the mother would have been there together to register their son. He also doesn’t think the details in Obama’s registration document should be considered official declarations of his faith or citizenship because it wasn’t a government form and people played loose with such facts at the time. For example, it was typical to register as Indonesian and Islamic just because you were living there, so the religion indicated may just be what his father put down because it was the normal thing to do.

An exit after one term from the White House could act as a catalyst for more information more quickly. An Obama win, on the other hand, would likely keep any information – at least from the president himself — sealed for at least four more years.

Voters on Tuesday, then, may be deciding more than just who the next president is – they could help decide how much more we know about the one we have now.

[spacejunkie2001]

....guess I should have expanded on my question :)

I haven’t been in this loop like I ordinarily am. What does it mean that the U of W records are falsified? She wasn’t there?

Sorry...

[Fred Nerks]

You are doing the pretzel thing again, and you are being dishonest and know it:

SAD graduated HS in WA

And all you have to show that is an entry on a fraudulent document sent to WND by e-mail without provenance. There is nothing from any high School, nothing from Mercer Island other than 'classmate' stories that don't add up. There's a 'graduation' photo, cropped from a page of a book that could have come from anywhere.

SAD went to HI in mid 1960

Yes, she shows up in 1963 to enroll at the U of HI in Spring and then we see her photograph taken with a two year old.

SAD was in Russian class at U of HI in fall 1960

The student shown as Ann S Obama in the Polk may have been in a Russian class in the early sixties - taught by two Russian immigrant women - before the East West Centre was opened. Ann S Obama may have received credits for attending, but as no one saw Stanley Ann Dunham in Hawaii and the daughter of the Pratt family with whom the Dunhams shared the house doesn't remember a daughter with child, who that student listed in the directory might have been is unknown. There's a possibility Ann S Obama lived in the bungalow at the rear and her name appeared as the result of the connection of utilities in her name.

SAD was reported made “hapa” by BHO by U of HI officials SAD and BHO were married of Feb 2, 1961 reported by U of HI officials to INS confirmed in HI vital index and HI 1964 divorce SAD and BHO were discussing putting baby up for adoption per INS docs SAD intended to attend college in WA in fall of 1961 per INS docs BHO named Ann S. Dunham as wife in August 1961 per Ins DOCs SAD’s numerous friends say she arrived in WA in late Aug 1961 SAD confirmed living at home with parents at address in newspaper birth announcements SAD’s U of WA transcript shows she attended fall 1961 and spring 1962 and confirm Toutonghi apartment as does Polk with “Anna S. Obama” tiny name variant. SAD’s U of HI official state archive record picks up U of WA courses SAD’s U of WA final two transcripts obtained by Corsi (microfilm of final hardcopy and computer printout dated Feb 2, 1009) confirms HS graduation, Russian credit in HI in fall 1960, 1961-62 attendance, U of HI bachelor and master degrees are noted typed in on lower right

And I really can't be bothered going through all the rest, the myth of Stanley Ann as mother is the creation of the author, the events and identities in the lives of two women and records of two individuals have been skillfully woven into one - your Stanley Ann Dunham is a composite just as the birth certificate is a composite, created to suit the myth...and the only way you can retain your bullying tactics is to refuse to identify the boy on the left as zero and the slightly older, darker boy on the right as the son of the kenyan, because that allows you to drive home your own pet theory, that SAD was a slut who was 'easy' - who was sent to Kenya to have a child she conceived through a sexual relationship with a man 35 years older. You bring nothing new to the discussion, you never have, you aren't interested in anything other than telling us how clever you are. It's tiresome. And it's obvious you get all your oxygen from me, because without my input, you have nothing to say.

Here they are again:

These are the images that Mark showed on his webpage.

The composite of zero clearly shows who the boy on the left IS.

And the darker, older child is shown with his father and Ruth in Kenya in a photograph taken after Mark was born in 1965.

[Fred Nerks]

forgot to ping you:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2955775/posts?page=382#382

I think the problem is that I deal in people, real flesh and blood human beings, I follow the tracks they leave as they move through their lives, tripping up, making mistakes, telling lies...and I collect photographs which ultimately fall into context almost all by themselves...I don’t take documents that have been created to cover who and what and where they might have been, as gospel. The paperwork is there to go with the myth, I don’t trust the validity of anything presented nowhere else but in cyberspace...

I look for the mistakes they made, the contradictions, the obvious lies, because that’s what real people do. They are as cunning as chimpanzees and about as trustworthy...except you and I of course...LOL!

And PS - a little humour goes a long way. I am most suspicious of those who do not have any.

[Fred Nerks]

“That must have been after Anna Obama moved out. Maybe there’s a Seattle Polk for 1962-1963 that has Stanley Ann Dunham’s name in it.”

I wrote that with a certain level of sarcasm in reply to your statement that it had been corroberated that Mary babysat in early 1962. What you wrote just didn't mesh with the dubious attendance record at the U of WA, or the entry for Anna Obama in the directory. So, if she wasn't there until early 1962, where was she? And whose records are we supposed to be looking at?

“Have you any idea where SAD was until she shows up in early 1962? She left Seattle in August 1961, according to Susan Blake, and Susan never saw her again.”

Considering what you wrote, the above was a fair question. One sick puppy you are. No humour, no sense of irony, and sarcasm totally escapes you. Are you a real human being or are you reading from a teleprompter? It's funny but I have this feeling there's no real Seize there, just a mouthpiece.

[null and void]

What does it mean when anyone falsifies a record?

[Fred Nerks]

The corroborated fact is that it was January 1962 that Stanley Ann Dunham Obama and baby Barry moved into the same building with Toutonghi.

you wrote that in #370 - NOT I! Who-ever it is that's feeding you your lines from behind the curtain, you need to tell them you can't hear yourself.

[spacejunkie2001]

okay, nevermind. please take me off the ping list.

have a merry Christmas.

[Fred Nerks]

THINK ABOUT IT:

During our first interview, Mary referred to Stanley Ann Dunham as ³Anna² not knowing that it was the same name as what was listed in the Seattle City Directory. This verified for us that indeed Mary had known Ann Dunham.

NOW CHANGE THE NAMES:

During the initial interview, the witness referred to Tom Dick Harry as George, not knowing that it (George) was the name as what was listed in the Seattle Directory. This verified for us that indeed, the witness had known Tom Dick Harry.

[Fred Nerks]

...Was every child born in Canada in 1961 a Canadian citizen?... Even if born to a female who was a citizen of a different country and returned to that country after the birth of the child?

If the father was a US citizen there's a train of thought that says it wouldn't mean that child wouldn't qualify to stand for election as POTUS. I tend to stay away from the question of eligibility and confine myself to asking, just how many times and in how many countless ways have you been lied to? It will provide no satisfaction to find that a fraud might have been eligible.

[Seizethecarp]

Per Fred Nerks:

“These are the images that Mark showed on his webpage.”

Yes, pictures of Mark and his younger brother, David, circa 1970. Yet Fred Nerks’ Mal-Val narrative has these boys ID’d as Barry (son of Malcolm X) being the younger on the left and Roman Obama (son of BHO Sr. and supposed Filipina wife Anna S.) on the right.

Exactly where and when were these studio pictures supposedly taken and how and why did Mark Ndesandjo get them and claim they were taken in Africa of himself and his brother David? Was it in Hawaii, according to Fred Nerks? Obviously, Mark is right and this is corroborated by lots of circumstantial evidence. It is equally obvious that it is Conspiracy Theory to believe that Mark is complicit in a conspiracy to create a fake brother, David, for him to disguise the implantation of baby Roman Obama into the Kenyan family...all as knock-on protection of the secret identity of Barry as the true son of Malcolm X and Valerie Sarruf...who somehow enlisted BHO Sr. and party girl Ruth Baker into the plot.

It’s all very entertaining as long as you don’t get suckered into believing it is the truth...something that would be very amusing to certain Obots, I would guess.

Per Fred Nerks:

“The composite of zero clearly shows who the boy on the left IS.”

This misidentification of David Obama, the boy in the upper right, as “zero” (Fred Nerks name for the current president and the boy in the other three photos) is either dishonest or delusional.

Per Fred Nerks:

“And the darker, older child is shown with his father and Ruth in Kenya in a photograph taken after Mark was born in 1965.”

Fred Nerks’ Mal-Val narrative ID’s these pictures of the real Mark, the “darker” child, as being Roman Obama (currently of Ghana). The exact same toddler (actually David) that was sitting next to him that Fred Nerks ID’d as “zero” in the studio picture is now ID’d as baby Mark in 1965 in Kenya in his mother Ruth’s arms.

The Fred Nerks Mal-Val timeline with his ID’s CAN’T be made to work. Thus, while many narratives for Barry can still be considered possible with varying degree of probability, the Mal-Val Fred Nerks narrative with Barry aka “zero” as the son of Malcolm X and Roman Obama as “the original BHO II” (Roman whose name was taken from him and given to Malcolm X’s son)...is impossible timeline.

Fred Nerks’ “Darker” Roman (actually Mark) looks to be age 5 in the studio shot in 1963-64. Fred Nerks’ “zero” (actually David looks age 2.

Fred Nerks’ “darker” Roman in the family shot supposedly with Fred Nerks’ baby Mark(actually David) also looks 4 or 5 years which Fred Nerks labels 1965, but since the baby is supposedly Mark and looks age 2 the picture would be dated circa 1967.

As you can see it doesn’t make sense that Fred Nerks’ “darker” Roman looks to be about the same age in these picture Fred Nerks says/implies were from 1963 and 1967. Does not compute!

The corroborated, legally verifiable truth is that the Barry baby pictures were likely taken in about 1963-65 in the US (HI and possibly WA) and the pictures of Barry’s half-brothers, “darker” Mark and Barry-look-alike David, were taken in Kenya obviously with their real mother and father circa 1970. Mark was about age 5 and David age 2 to three.

[Seizethecarp]

“The corroborated fact is that it was January 1962 that Stanley Ann Dunham Obama and baby Barry moved into the same building with Toutonghi.”

The corroboration placing Stanley Ann Dunham Obama at this address in this timeframe is provided by:

1. Toutonghi (address and date of rental plus babysitting)
2. U of WA transcripts (address while attending)
3. Polk (address and general timeframe)

There is NO evidence of an alternate Filipina Anna S. wife of BHO in 1961 and NO evidence that Stanley Ann Dunham Obmaa was anywhere else, despite Fred Nerks’ Mal-Val narrative claim that SADO was never in Seattle then and never with baby Barry until 1963-64.

[David]

So ‘born in the borders of the US equals eligible for POTUS’ regardless of events after a single event. Many subscribe that. And it appears to provide comfort to those who want to ignore the potential issue. But is it accurate?

Look that's all just argument. I do not particularly like the state of the law on the subject but you and I are not making the law and if the issue gets to the US Supreme Court on a record that does not show him born outside the US, he is going to be held eligible. That would have been the case to any Supreme Court going back to the early 1900's.

Without a doubt article II prohibits NATURALIZED citizens from being eligible. Or at least that seems to be a logical path of understanding.

If someone is formally naturalized via a formal naturalization process it should be clear they are not eligble. Hence why Arnold is not eligible. He IS a naturalized citizen.

Now come on, grow up. That's not why Arnold is not eligible at all--Arnold is not eligible because he was not born in the United States and therefore is not and never has been a natural born citizen. The fact that he has subsequently been naturalized is irrelevant.

The objective of the natural born clause is to avoid the prospect that a person who was subject to the sovereignty of another head of state for the reason that such person was born there would become head of state of the US in a subservient or subordinate status. Whatever Article II, Sec. 1 meant originally, that is all that is left of it and frankly, having reviewed all of the purported legislative history of the clause, I tend to believe that is all that was originally intended.

If he was born here, Zero's case is obviously different.

If all this stuff about his Indonesian citizenship and loss of citizenship is true, it still doesn't affect the basic international law of sovereignty at birth. Further, I suggest that whatever Sven's record is, it will turn out not to affect Zero's birth citizenship which is likely to turn out to have remained entact.

In all of the material he has posted, there is still nothing that constitutes a legal basis on which to conclude that Zero's Article II, Sec. 1 citizenship was ever affected.

If it makes you fell any better, at this point I am reasonably comfortable that he was not in fact born in the United States.

[Fred Nerks]

The two images Mark showed on his website before he removed them both showed a photograph of a child a few months younger and lighter in skin colour than the older, darker child he was shown sitting beside, the child on the left grew up to be the POTUS whose name at birth and whose place of birth we do not know, the other boy went to Kenya and is shown with his father and stepmother. One more time, here's the child on the left in composite, 1. Zero as a baby. 2. zero as a toddler. 3. Zero as shown on Mark's webpage. 4. Zero again in the second image shown on Marks webpage:

And you can cockadoodledoo all day and night long, nothing changes the fact that the child shown on the left is zero. Nothing. You can call him Tom Dick or Harry or David, that doesn't change who he is. The composite shows the same child FOUR TIMES.

[Fred Nerks]

Look at this way; if the boy on the left really is the child that was born in Kenya, and if his name really was David, what you have is the question, did the POTUS run away from home as a teenager, live in the streets of Nairobi until Malik found him and took him home, and one night after an altercation in a bar, did this young man ride home on Malik’s motorcycle and end up dead? Is that his ghost that is now POTUS?

Yep, we could all do with a laugh. I’m going Christmas shopping now, So MERRY CHRISTMAS EVERYONE!

[Seizethecarp]

Fred Nerks just doesn’t get the idea that two half-brothers can look a LOT LIKE each other. Such a resemblance in pictures is not proof that they ARE each other, of course.

[Seizethecarp]

Per Fred Nerks:

“The two images Mark showed on his website before he removed them both showed a photograph of a child a few months younger and lighter in skin colour than the older, darker child he was shown sitting beside, the child on the left grew up to be the POTUS whose name at birth and whose place of birth we do not know, the other boy went to Kenya and is shown with his father and stepmother.”

The “other (darker) boy who went to Kenya” is obviously several years, not “months” older than the younger boy, which happens to reflect their true identities of being Mark (b. 1965) and David (b. 1968).

But Fred Nerks’ Mal-Val narrative needs the boys to be months apart in age if they are to be Barry and Roman Obama, the baby Mary Toutonghi is supposedly too confused to remember as having a Filipina alternate wife mom and to remember that she babysat Roman in January 1961, not January 1962.

In Fred Nerks Mal-Val narrative, Roman Obama’s life takes more twists and turns than the JFK magic bullet!

Fred Nerks’ Roman Obama biographical narrative:

1. Roman is born presumably in HI to BHO Sr and Filipina wife, Anna S. (or perhaps someplace else in the US that Fred Nerks sometimes claims BHO Sr. went between 1956 and 1959 when he actually came to the US). Roman at birth named BHO II before being changed to Roman later when his ID is needed to help hide the child of Malcolm X and Valerie Sarruf.

2. Roman is taken to Seattle by January 1961 where Filipina Anna appears in Polk living in the exact address where the alleged forged U of WA places SADO and has the baby babysat by Mary, but Mary does not actually report having babysat any alternative baby Obama other than Stanley Ann’s.

3. Per Fred Nerks, somehow “darker” Roman and Barry (”zero” per FN) appear together in a studio picture in approximately 1963-64 but are only months apart in age. Was this picture taken in HI? In WA? In any case, Roman and Barry are together in this narrative for this picture (actually Mark and David). In the Mal-Val narrative, at about the time of this studio picture the identity of Roman is taken from him and given to the “lighter” baby Barry (”zero”) who is claimed to be the child of Malcolm X and Valerie Sarruf for the purpose of protecting the precious baby from those who might murder him as they did his father.

4. Roman’s alleged Filipina mom, Anna S. Obama disappears from the narrative between 1961 and 1964 and Roman “went to Kenya,” as Fred Nerks claims, with his father and “step-mother” Ruth in 1964. They appear together in the family picture which Fred Nerks dates as 1965, the year that Mark was born. But supposed baby Mark is obviously close to two years old making the picture 1967...yet Roman looks about the same as he does in the supposed 1963-64 picture...if not younger. To my eye, the “darker” boy (actually Mark) that Fred Nerks claims is now Roman looks YOUNGER in the family picture to me that he does in the studio picture that Nerks claims was taken years earlier.

5. Roman grows up in Kenya and goes to college in Moscow.

6. Roman goes to Ghana and becomes a business man.

In consensus reality, the real Roman Obama has no evident connection to the POTUS or BHO Sr’s Kenyan family and no verifiable documentation or any witness testimony placing him in Kenya as a step-child of Ruth or elder step-brother to Mark. Ruth has never mentioned stepson Roman. Nor is there any direct evidence or witness statements supporting the existence of Roman’s alleged Filipina mother in HI or WA or anywhere. Nor is there any documentation of a marriage to this alleged Filipina mom of Roman or of a vital record or BC for Roman in the US under the name BHO II or any name.

[Fred Nerks]

NO NOBODY IN PARTICULAR

You swine. You vulgar little maggot. You worthless bag of filth. As we say in Texas, I’ll bet you couldn’t pour p!ss out of a boot with instructions on the heel. You are a canker. A sore that won’t go away. I would rather kiss a lawyer than be seen with you. You’re a putrescent mass, a walking vomit. You are a spineless little worm deserving nothing but the profoundest contempt. You are a jerk, a cad, a weasel. Your life is a monument to stupidity. You are a stench, a revulsion, a big suck on a sour lemon. You are a bleating foal, a curdled staggering mutant dwarf smeared richly with the effluvia and offal accompanying your alleged birth into this world. An insensate, blinking calf, meaningful to nobody, abandoned by the puke-drooling, giggling beasts who sired you and then killed themselves in recognition of what they had done. I will never get over the embarrassment of belonging to the same species as you. You are a monster, an ogre, a malformity. I barf at the very thought of you. You have all the appeal of a paper cut. Lepers avoid you. You are vile, worthless, less than nothing. You are a weed, a fungus, the dregs of this earth. And did I mention you smell? Try to edit your responses of unnecessary material before attempting to impress us with your insight. The evidence that you are a nincompoop will still be available to readers, but they will be able to access it more rapidly. You snail-skulled little rabbit. Would that a hawk pick you up, drive its beak into your brain, and upon finding it rancid set you loose to fly briefly before spattering the ocean rocks with the frothy pink shame of your ignoble blood. May you choke on the queasy, convulsing nausea of your own trite, foolish beliefs. You are weary, stale, flat and unprofitable. You are grimy, squalid, nasty and profane. You are foul and disgusting. You’re a fool, an ignoramus. Monkeys look down on you. Even sheep won’t have sex with you. You are unreservedly pathetic, starved for attention, and lost in a land that reality forgot. And what meaning do you expect your delusionally self-important statements of unknowing, inexperienced opinion to have with us? What fantasy do you hold that you would believe that your tiny-fisted tantrums would have more weight than that of a leprous desert rat, spinning rabidly in a circle, waiting for the bite of the snake? You are a waste of flesh. You have no rhythm. You are ridiculous and obnoxious. You are the moral equivalent of a leech. You are a living emptiness, a meaningless void. You are sour and senile. You are a disease, you puerile, one-handed, slack-jawed, drooling, meatslapper. On a good day you’re a half-wit. You remind me of drool. You are deficient in all that lends character. You have the personality of wallpaper. You are dank and filthy. You are asinine and benighted. You are the source of all unpleasantness. You spread misery and sorrow wherever you go. You smarmy lagerlout git. You bloody woofter sod. Bugger off, pillock. You grotty wanking oik artless base-court apple-john. You clouted boggish foot-licking twit. You dankish clack-dish plonker. You gormless crook-pated tosser. You churlish boil-brained clotpole ponce. You cockered bum-bailey poofter. You craven dewberry pisshead cockup pratting naff. You gob-kissing gleeking flap-mouthed coxcomb. You dread-bolted fobbing beef-witted clapper-clawed flirt-gill. You are a fiend and a coward, and you have bad breath. You are degenerate, noxious and depraved. I feel debased just for knowing you exist. I despise everything about you, and I wish you would go away. I cannot believe how incredibly stupid you are. I mean rock-hard stupid. Dehydrated-rock-hard stupid. Stupid, so stupid it goes way beyond the stupid we know into a whole different dimension of stupid. You are trans-stupid stupid. Meta-stupid. Stupid collapsed on itself so far that even the neutrons have collapsed. Stupid gotten so dense that no intellect can escape. Singularity stupid. Blazing hot mid-day sun on Mercury stupid. You emit more stupid in one second than our entire galaxy emits in a year. Quasar stupid. Your writing has to be a troll. Nothing in our universe can really be this stupid. Perhaps this is some primordial fragment from the original big bang of stupid. Some pure essence of a stupid so uncontaminated by anything else as to be beyond the laws of physics that we know. I’m sorry. I can’t go on. This is an epiphany of stupid for me. After this, you may not hear from me again for a while. I don’t have enough strength left to deride your ignorant questions and half baked comments about unimportant trivia, or any of the rest of this drivel. Duh. The only thing worse than your logic is your manners. I have snipped away most of what you wrote, because, well... it didn’t really say anything. Your attempt at constructing a creative post was pitiful. I mean, really, stringing together a bunch of insults among a load of babbling was hardly effective... Maybe later in life, after you have learned to read, write, spell, and count, you will have more success. True, these are rudimentary skills that many of us “normal” people take for granted that everyone has an easy time of mastering. But we sometimes forget that there are “challenged” persons in this world who find these things more difficult. If I had known, that this was your case then I would have never read your post. It just wouldn’t have been “right”. Sort of like parking in a handicap space. I wish you the best of luck in the emotional, and social struggles that seem to be placing such a demand on you.

[Candor7]

Real People. Deal in real people :-)

Yes, Malcolm X was Obama’s dad!/S

The fact is that we do not know anything about Obama’s parentage, whatever is public is fabricated, what ever is true has been obscured.

We can only know that he was handed around as an infant, an unwanted child, looking for a place to roost. What that child found at an early age prior to 1964,and how, no one really knows. We just have an arrangement of photographs that could not be covered up or censored. Those are real, in context, unlike documents which are so easy to duplicate and refile.

As a matter of fact, there have been cadres or teams of Oba-obscurators. An article purportedly written by Obama in college was cut from the library archives with a razor , there is no documentary evidence that has not been obscured or re-contextualized to support the fabrications of the false Obama family line, and the fictional biography so Obama could evolve into “The Won.”.

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cf Fred Nerks

I think the problem is that I deal in people, real flesh and blood human beings, I follow the tracks they leave as they move through their lives, tripping up, making mistakes, telling lies...and I collect photographs which ultimately fall into context almost all by themselves...I don’t take documents that have been created to cover who and what and where they might have been, as gospel. The paperwork is there to go with the myth, I don’t trust the validity of anything presented nowhere else but in cyberspace...

I look for the mistakes they made, the contradictions, the obvious lies, because that’s what real people do. They are as cunning as chimpanzees and about as trustworthy...except you and I of course...LOL!

And PS - a little humour goes a long way. I am most suspicious of those who do not have any.

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Yes Fred, your approach is more highly forensic and real.
We knw exactly what questions to have answered now and where the nexus points are that could reveal all if they could be inflated properly.

People who see that want you to just goand establsih a false reality created by lists of documents which may or may not have been altered or edited and refiled. I am not about to click my heels like Dorothy and conclude I must have been in Kansas.

[Fred Nerks]

Yep. You and are are too old and too ornery and have been around the block often enough NOT to bend to peer pressure, and it saddens me to see how well it works, there are examples I won't name of perfectly good freepers reading in the background, hesitating to come out and make their views known - because there are bullies and slandereres cockadoodling from atop the barn-yard fence, cockadoodle cockadoodle doo, oh what a clever little rooster am I, and if you don't bow down to my cockadoodle-doo I'll ridicule everything you present until I make you stop.

Fascist little rooster is on notice, he will end up as Sunday dinner soon enough. The only reason he's on top of the fence crowing is because a group of people spent more than two years researching and I ended up as spokesperson trying to present what our findings were. Without that input he wouldn't have anything to crow about. Rooster would still be cockadoodling about Frank Marshall Davis seducing the teenage daughter of a friend, he would still need to maintain that she was sent to Kenya to cover the shame of a pregnancy to a coloured man 35 years older, and anyone can tell you that teenage girls don't come out of high school with the hots for an ugly old black man, but he gets a thrill out of telling it that way, because it appeals to the voyer in him. It gives reign to his dirty, impotent little mind.

And why did I start? Because I was also peer-pressured. Yes I was. I was called a subvervise and a traitor because I didn't supply names and dates and details on our research, on this forum. Tattle-tales circulated the contents of my private mails containing out-of-context brief summaries - like KISS - keeping it short and simple, and left my name on the messages.

That was followed by demands that I 'come clean' and how dare I keep any result of research a secret? Didn't I understand I had a duty...the last straw was that after all, I was only an Australian, how could I be expected to understand and care what the United States was facing...IT'S MY COUNTRY! I was told... Peer pressure.

So I attempted to commence to tell the story from the beginning. There was really no other place to start. And every statement I made, every clue I pointed out, every image I posted in evidence, was ridiculed by our resident critic, who had never posted a link, a document or a photograph, who knew nothing but to critize, who used nothing but words cockadoodle-doo! and relentlessly persued and bullied me - and caused others to remove my name from information I had provided them with, though they did retain the information itself, freepers who had been writing to me for years, quite suddenly stopped replying to private mail.

Hey, Beckwith? Remember me?

Talk about etiquette, there isn't any. There's very little common courtesy, and the one freeper with whom I had the longest, most productive FRiendship told me that I shouldn't have engaged in a p+ssing contest with her, after she circulated my private mail to a ping list she admitted was 150 long.

Were you on that list, Seizethecarp? Is that how you became so knowledgable all of a sudden? Because the person who offered to keep the material safe off-site circulated it? While we were still checking leads...

Well, it's Christmas, hope you and your loved ones have a Merry Christmas, there's a New Year coming up and it's time for me to make some resolutions. I've bought a new car, I have some health issues to deal with, I do treasure the FRiends I have made and kept on FR, but it's time for me to wind back, become less obvious, the material I refer to has been lodged with someone trustworthy for safekeeping, the effort is far from over, but what-ever I do from now on goes back to where it was always more fruitful.

Under the radar.

Again, a very Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year and to all good men - goodnight!

[Candor7]

I've bought a new car>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>BIG GRIN HERE! The slings and arrows of malignant fascism do not get you down!

If only you would stop showing it off !