Posted on 04/08/2012 7:24:47 PM PDT by publius321
Christians who support Romney in Primary are responsible for advancing a polytheistic pagan doctrine and leading potentially millions of souls to state of deception.
The God of Israel said He is the Alpha & the Omega, the beginning and the end. He said there is only ONE God.
Mormonism says there are infinite numbers of gods throughout the universe and THEY can be gods themselves, just like God the Father and His Son Jesus Christ.
This is heresy. Mitt Romney is a heretic just as Barack Obama is a heretic Here's WHY (just scratching the surface).
(Excerpt) Read more at youtu.be ...
They'd BETTER!!!!
But Houston; there IS a problem!!
What about THIS 'prophet'???
"Now if any of you will deny the plurality of wives, and continue to do so, I promise that you will be damned;
and I will go still further and say, take this revelation, or any other revelation that the Lord has given,
and deny it in your feelings, and I promise that you will be damned.
Brigham Young - JoD 3:266 (July 14, 1855)
Let me repeat: Article VI of the Constitution is geared toward the govt & toward candidates & potential candidates
Not toward voters.
Otherwise, you would HAVE to vote for a Satanist (to prove you weren't voting against him because of his religion!)
As a Christian it is my commission to spread the Gospel. Once the nonbeliever hears of the Gospel, they have three options, reject it, want to hear more of it or accept it. Every human being has a spiritual component that is affected by the message. It is up to them to chose how they react to the Gospel. Mormons know that Christians do not accept the Book of Mormons, and many of their major tenants. Knowing that, Salvations is in their hands not mine. Still as Christians we need to treat nonbelievers with kindness, patience and respect. There are many ways we can preach to nonbelievers, and one of them is thru our own behavior. We cannot write people off because they do not immediately accept Christ. Some may accept moments before they die. That is why we cannot be too quick to judge and write off, because doing so is to chase them away from Salvation, not encourage them to seek or think about it. Because Mormons are well behaved is not the basis to determine the veracity of their faith, but from an American citizen aspect (social not faith) Mormons are well behaved, hardworking, strong family value, self control and etc. Something American society can do with more of.
ALL: What has our conservative cause come to when you have supposed "conservatives" insistently and repeatedly claim that a voter CANNOT consider (for example)...
...the jihadist leanings or express jihadist convictions of a Muslim POTUS candidate...???
...or even the openly Satanic views of any given future POTUS candidate????
Why, Ge0ffREY COULD have 100% evidence that the Dems in 2016 were running the "anti-Christ" ... and Ge0ffrey, were he in ANY way consistent & not hypocritical, would pull out his extreme misinterpretation of Article VI of the Constitution & proceed to lecture FReepers that sorry, they as voters, supposedly could not take the "anti-Christ" religious beliefs of the "anti-Christ" into consideration in their voting.
[Shaking my head over such lack of basic discernment...(No wonder the Republicans are in such disarray & dire straights)]
Btw, Ge0ffrey, I counted at least three Sunday threads focusing on this subject: Easter threads shooting @ Obama's religious comments & alleged ties (see post #24 for EXACT links to these threads)
So, Ge0ffrey, where were you on any of these threads with your Article VI advisements? It's not too late, ya know...you could venture into ALL of these threads & proceed to lecture & scold posters that Article VI of the Constitution precludes them from taking Obama's religious comments & alleged ties into consideration as they vote in 2012.
What a strange coincidence. I've seen Article VI posters probably 20 times in the past five years of FREEP posting...but what a coincidence that they ALWAYS show up on Romney threads and NEVER show up on Obama's religion threads...for example, the countless Rev. Jeremiah Wright threads...ones that were, btw, being revived on FR last week...[see the Hatch link in the above link]
It's not too late, Ge0ffrey...
...show us that you're not some two-faced hypocrite & head into those 4 threads I linked on post #24 of the above-linked thread...
...remind all those FREEPERS commenting about Obama's Easter bumbles & alleged "Muslim" ties that they CANNOT take Obama's religious life into consideration when they vote...per Ge0ffrey's "interpretation" of Article VI of the Constitution.
#1: If you were auditioning for godhood -- like temple Mormons are -- you would be on your best behavior, too.
#2: You're not calling for more people to consider themselves as "gods" like Mormons do, are you? (You're not encouraging this kind of social behavior, are you?...just so that America can have more "well behaved, hardworking, strong family value, self control" people)
Because if that's the case, why stop there? You might as well say the same thing about several other cults & some world religions in communist countries...because their criminal rates are lower.
I mean some of the cults that emphasize their "hard working" spiritual ethic to get them to heaven are some of the "hardest working" people I've seen;
Some of the New Age cults that focus on a distinct type of meditation (than portrayed in the Bible) are often able to display amazing "self control"...some even "fire walking" on hot coals...
Many Asians involved in various world religions are from a pure social perspective, "well behaved..." And the Pharisees were extremely outwardly well behaved to the point that Jesus in His sermon on the mount said that unless your righteousness exceeded theirs, you would in no wise enter the Kingdom of heaven. Yet, you wouldn't elevate either these world religions or the Pharisees without the proper caveats and qualifications, would you?
Still as Christians we need to treat nonbelievers with kindness, patience and respect. There are many ways we can preach to nonbelievers, and one of them is thru our own behavior.
Agreed...yet Jesus wasn't always "kind" to the Pharisees (see, i.e. latter part of John 8 & entire 23rd chapter of Matthew). Some of the "debates" that the apostle Paul & Apollos had in the synagogues (read Acts 17; 18, 19) included debating/refuting, etc.
'Tis a lack of discernment of reading the New Testament to not realize that Jesus & His disciples treated religious legalists distinctive from say, the woman @ the well...or those on Mars Hill in Acts 17.
Jesus & His disciples comforted the afflicted; yet they also afflicted the comfortable. And I don't see that in what you just posted.
It is up to them to chose how they react to the Gospel.
This is not 100% true. 'Tis numerous Scriptures which say people are spiritually dead. They are like Lazarus in the tomb. To become "quickened" (enlivened) has something to do with Someone outside of themselves...for example, the Holy Spirit.
The apostle Paul told the Corinthians in an environment of persecution: "No one can say Jesus is Lord except by the Holy Spirit." (1 Cor. 12:3)
Romney doesn’t have to win the presidency. He only has to be the Republican candidate.
Colofornian is exactly right - this limitation is imposed on the GOVERNMENT, not private citizens. Remember that the original colonies were set up as religious enclaves. The Constitution prevented the state from imposing a religious requirement that its elected officials must be of the recognized state religion. In other words, an elected official in Maryland didn't have to be Catholic, or an official in Rhode Island, Baptist, etc.
So what are the courts going to do if I vote based on religious grounds? Declare me unconstitutional? Nullify my vote? How are they going to know that was my basis for voting? The Founding Fathers wouldn't put something as foolish into the Constitution as your are suggesting. They knew that you can't put unenforceable provisions into a ruling document - it just opens the whole document to be held in contempt.
Colofornian is right. Article VI is a limitation on the fed, not on you and I. All it means is that a person of any religion or no religion cannot be blocked by the fed from running for federal office. That means that whether a person believes in the God of Israel or in the tooth fairy or in no god at all, the federal government cannot deny that person a place on the ballot.
However, I venture to guess that if you knew a candidate was on the ballot who seriously believed in the tooth fairy, you might give the other, more, um, traditional candidates a closer look. And you would have a constitutional right to do so. Election law under our Constitution liberates both the candidate and the voter to express their views freely under the First Amendment, whether those views are religious or otherwise. Your advocacy of Article VI as a limitation on what the *voter* may consider is a perfect inversion of that principle, and an argument against those costly liberties, paid for in blood, and enshrined for us in the First Amendment of our Constituion. Your argument has no basis in fact or law, and is not to be taken seriously. We will vote with eyes wide open, but thank you for your concern.
[I think some non-Romneybot FREEPERs are looking for any and all "justification" as to why they HAVE to vote for Romney..."Uh...'cause the 'Constitution told me to!"]
(I'll properly cite -- and ping -- both of you when I quote you)
So...cutting & pasting the following for safekeeping, re-utilization (with proper citations):
Remember that the original colonies were set up as religious enclaves. The Constitution prevented the state from imposing a religious requirement that its elected officials must be of the recognized state religion. In other words, an elected official in Maryland didn't have to be Catholic, or an official in Rhode Island, Baptist, etc. So what are the courts going to do if I vote based on religious grounds? Declare me unconstitutional? Nullify my vote? How are they going to know that was my basis for voting? The Founding Fathers wouldn't put something as foolish into the Constitution as your are suggesting. They knew that you can't put unenforceable provisions into a ruling document - it just opens the whole document to be held in contempt. [Commerce Comet, April 9, 2012]
...whether a person believes in the God of Israel or in the tooth fairy or in no god at all, the federal government cannot deny that person a place on the ballot. However, I venture to guess that if you knew a candidate was on the ballot who seriously believed in the tooth fairy, you might give the other, more, um, traditional candidates a closer look. And you would have a constitutional right to do so. Election law under our Constitution liberates both the candidate and the voter to express their views freely under the First Amendment, whether those views are religious or otherwise. Your advocacy of Article VI as a limitation on what the *voter* may consider is a perfect inversion of that principle, and an argument against those costly liberties, paid for in blood, and enshrined for us in the First Amendment of our Constitution. Your argument has no basis in fact or law, and is not to be taken seriously. We will vote with eyes wide open, but thank you for your concern. [Springfield Reformer, April 9, 2012]
You both are able constitutional historians, writers -- in how you framed your responses, and conservative FREEPERs in my book. I am highly impressed by both of these post entries!
Excellent...
I just finished a extensive study in Romans, you covered it well!
Just on your point that it would be a better world if we lived as Mormons do (I paraphrase) .....
Well aside from the Biblical wrongs they are involved in, Mitt Romney was pro abortion and pro gay marriage..YES HE WAS, and yet he was not condemned by any Mormons for holding anti life views, they lined up to support him anyway.
So they had no problem with Mittens supporting murder of God`s children etc, and for gay marriage and all the trimmings, so aside from their wrong view of the Bible, I am not interested in their so called family values.
Just my opinion, was not suggesting for a moment that you sided in any way with the Mormon belief...absolutely not, just sharing my thoughts on their “family values”
My thrust is toward the 'believer' in a FALSE gospel.
The ERROR of their belief MUST be spotlighted for them to EVER see it.
Sorry; but go along with the watchman:
Eze 33:1-6
Again the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
Son of man, speak to the children of thy people, and say unto them, When I bring the sword upon a land, if the people of the land take a man of their coasts, and set him for their watchman:
If when he seeth the sword come upon the land, he blow the trumpet, and warn the people;
Then whosoever heareth the sound of the trumpet, and taketh not warning; if the sword come, and take him away, his blood shall be upon his own head.
He heard the sound of the trumpet, and took not warning; his blood shall be upon him. But he that taketh warning shall deliver his soul.
But if the watchman see the sword come, and blow not the trumpet, and the people be not warned; if the sword come, and take [any] person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at the watchman’s hand.
I figure that I am WARNING them.
THEN my job is done.
To me; it is NOT 'kindness' to let a person CONTINUE on the wrong path; knowing that at any moment their life could be snuffed out.
Dang!
Maybe I should have invited them in for tea and cookies.
Like John the Baptist talked to Herodias?
Like Jesus treated the Pharisees?
Like Paul announced to the agitators in Galatians 5:12?
May as well; for he'd make a CRUMMY Living Prophet®!!
...the presidential campaign of Mormon Church founder Joseph Smith in 1844: “Challenging Democrat James Polk and Whig Henry Clay, Smith prophesied that if the U.S. Congress did not accede to his demands that ‘they shall be broken up as a government and God shall damn them.’
Smith viewed capturing the presidency as part of the mission of the church.
Thanks for sharing that Elsie. That is some heretical stuff, much like the way muslims worship their false prophet instead of Jesus Christ.
It gives me chills and I’m sure will send off warning signals within the God given consciences of Christians as they read this blasphemy.
I appreciate your contribution to the cause of exposing the lies.
I'm merely reporting what the LDS religious organization has already printed.
ANYone can do this!!
Even MORMONs ;^)
Well aside from the Biblical wrongs they are involved in, Mitt Romney was pro abortion and pro gay marriage..YES HE WAS, and yet he was not condemned by any Mormons for holding anti life views, they lined up to support him anyway.
So they had no problem with Mittens supporting murder of God`s children etc, and for gay marriage and all the trimmings, so aside from their wrong view of the Bible, I am not interested in their so called family values.
The Mormons I know are terrific people. Of course they’d be even better if they took a drink now and then. But hell yes I’ll vote for a Mormon candidate. Mormons are awesome Americans. And God loves ‘em too!
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