Birthermania!

A courageous columnist tackles the birth certificate forgery

Syndicated columnist and author Diana West tackles the media taboo on the subject of the serious evidence that President Obama presented to the nation an electronically-created document purporting to be his actual birth certificate. In “Silence of the Lapdogs,” she writes:
Warning: This column contains news of evidence of possible forgery and fraud in the long-form birth certificate of the president of the United States and - bonus - his Selective Service registration card.

I figure the warning is necessary to prevent Americans, particularly Americans who work in news media and politics, from hurting themselves on any hard, sharp facts that might poke through my discussion of what is surely the biggest scandal to emerge around the seemingly dodgy docs Barack Obama is using to verify his identity.

I refer to the logic- and history-defying news and political blackout of the March 1 press conference called in Maricopa County, Ariz., by Sheriff Joe Arpaio’s Cold Case Posse.
I ask you: Have you read in your local paper about the technical evidence that led the posse’s three retired criminal investigators and two attorneys to conclude that the birth certificate image White House officials uploaded at the White House website on April 27, 2011, did not originate in a paper format, but rather was created (forged) as an electronic file on a computer?

It is not merely the mainstream media, but also much of the conservative media which enforces the taboo on discussion of the evidence that the President of the United States has, for unknown reasons, decided to fiddle with the record of his birth. She quotes one leading conservative editor:
“It’s an issue on which people are being marginalized very easily and very quickly at this point.”
Marginalized by whom? The Soros-funded attack machine? The liberal-dominated “mainstream media”? Fox News-dominated conservative media? The Obama White House?

Clearly, something has us all on lockdown. That’s much, much scarier than even the amazing possibility that some con artist might be pulling off the biggest scam in history.

One person who is not intimidated by the threat of marginalization is Lord Christopher Monckton, who has become perhaps the world’s leading global warming skeptic. If he were worried about what others would think of him, he would not have endured the years of scorn accorded global warming skeptics.
On Dennis Miller’s radio show Thursday Lord Christopher Monckton, a former policy adviser to British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher and an activist against global warming “alarmism,” went all-in on questioning President Barack Obama’s citizenship.

Monckton, the 3rd Viscount Monckton of Brenchley, hinted about his position on the issue in April 2010 at a tea party rally on the National Mall near the White House. But on Miller’s show, he said the birth certificate issue was far more important that combatting so-called anthropogenic global warming.

“I mean, hey you got a president who has a false birth certificate on the Internet, on the White House website,” Monckton said. “It’s not even clear where he was born. You’ve got a national debt which is rising into the stratosphere. You’ve got unemployment certainly here in California at 11 percent, 50 percent in the construction industry. These are real problems. You’ve got real environmental problems - overfishing, deforestation, pollution, not so much in the west but certainly in other countries. These are real problems which ought to be addressed. You’ve got poverty. You’ve got disease. These are again serious problems in Africa for instance, that we could be helping with. But no, we’re obsessed with making the rich even richer and making the absolute bankers richer still by going for global warming and cap-and-trade and other nonsenses of this kind.”

Ms. West is courageous, because as a syndicated columnist, her livelihood depends ont he good will of the very media she criticizes. For some people, the truth is more important than personal advantage.

One does not have to believe that Obama was born in Kenya to be disturbed by the evidence of a digitally-constructed birth certificate being passed off as authentic by a president. Those who are more worried about their public image and about being attacked by the media and political establishment than about getting at the truth will in the end be judged by their actions. Facts are facts, and Sheriff Joe’s cold case posse has come up with facts that will not be silenced or controverted by social pressure.
History will render its verdict on Obama, his critics, and his defenders.

But you have never answered me on the main question. Who is actually eligible?

If Chester Arthur hid (and later on burned) his records, then why?

Was he concerned because his father was not a citizen when he was born? If everyone is eligible who is born here, then why the concern (lies) about his father's citizenship? Hmmm?

This is mirse. I'm sorry, but I don't understand what you are trying to say above.

I am theorizing that all the USPO stamps had been phased out by the 2000s. Therefore, if a forger got hold of an old USPO stamp, it would have already contained a 19xx year insert. That is, the 19 would have already been there, and the forger would at most have had to change the year part to get 1980. No need for the suspicion-raising missing 19.

On the other hand, if the forger had used a modern USPS stamp, then he would have needed to find a 19 somewhere or do without. (The form could validly have had either a USPO or a USPS stamp, since both were in use in 1980.) But since the form has an old USPO stamp, it shouldn't have been a problem to get a 19.

Seems a more likely hypothesis is, simply, the document is genuine, and a broken (or improperly inked) stamp was used.

Same logic applies to the date discrepancy, by the way. A forger would not make that mistake. Whereas Obama was probably more interested in making the O in his sig resemble a peace symbol than getting the date right.

In any case, a real investigation would need to go beyond the document itself. There must be computer files of draft registrants, for instance. Is Obama's on file? Is there an audit trail as to when it was added? There must be backups of the computer file. Is Obama's registration on the backups? To guarantee success, a forger would have to have such bases covered (and not leave tracks doing the covering).

cynwoody:”Therefore, if a forger got hold of an old USPO stamp, it would have already contained a 19xx year insert. That is, the 19 would have already been there, and the forger would at most have had to change the year part to get 1980. No need for the suspicion-raising missing 19.”

Please watch this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHAM3hRI8_Y

This shows that these stamps were made with removable date/year inserts and hence the stamp itself does not keep the “19” intact. So they would have had to find the 19xx insert of the proper size/type in order to modify. Whereas the year 2008 inserts would potentially be readily available when they faked this stamp.

whoa..it was there when I posted it. Somebody wiping stuff based on trolling FR for info ?

thanks...It was there when I posted it.

If everyone is eligible who is born here, then why the concern (lies) about his father's citizenship? Hmmm?

Chester Arthur's opponents tried to spread rumors he was born in Canada or Ireland. As to why he ordered all his records burned, after leaving office and the day before he died, who knows? Could have been lots of reasons.

"I can explain everything with ease with no accountability."

Got a link for that?
/s

This is not a game, cynwoody. This is about the constitution. Put the kool-aid down, son.

I have been following the Santorum NBC wiht interest..the recent release (at least i just saw it) of Pietro Santorum’s naturalization in 1930 leads me to think that Aldo beceme a citizen when/if he entered the US legally for permanent residency before age 21 and before may 24 1934...thus NBC for Rick....I think the naturalization law goes back to 1898 or 1902 something like that to cover derivative citizenship of children before may 24 1934 so when did Aldo enter the US is part of the question has that been answered on the internet? If after may 24 1934 a different law was in effect=needed 5 years residency..

Also Pietro apparently went back to italy for some months before his return-(his wife had a baby in 1927 unless its the milkman’s) if i recall correctly if it was less than a year away from US it could still count for the requirements for Pietros naturalization.

Then again did Aldo need to apply for derivative citizenship or was it automatic...that needs to be researched also....

At first glance my take is Aldo derived US citizenship when he was lawfully admitted to the US or if he had 5 years US lawful residency before age 21.(date?)

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http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/86759.pdf

http://www.corporateprobono.org/archive/resources/resource1343.pdf

http://openjurist.org/195/f2d/573/acheson-v-albert

http://www.scribd.com/doc/86126538/Pietro-Santorum-Naturalization-Records-filed-1930-at-Somerset-County-PA-Courthouse

“morphed truther into birther and troofer into birfer.”

Regardless, the result is the same. Taking the “th” in both and converting them to the Ebonic “f” sound is done on purpose.

Drooling, spittle....not very nice....hmmm....sounds kinda racist to me.

I am theorizing that all the USPO stamps had been phased out by the 2000s. Therefore, if a forger got hold of an old USPO stamp, it would have already contained a 19xx year insert. That is, the 19 would have already been there, and the forger would at most have had to change the year part to get 1980. No need for the suspicion-raising missing 19.

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If Obama's Selective Service form is authentic, then can you show me any examples from anywhere in the United States where a postal stamp on any document or letter or envelope or box where the "19" is missing the "19", or where the first two digits are missing on other postal stamps; for instance, can you show me any stamps where the "20" is missing from a "20xx" stamp?

Your hypothetical forger: You seem to be talking about a professional or experienced forger who would NOT, in your opinion, make mistakes like we find on Obama's form.

But what if the forger was not your normal criminal type, and instead, he was an Obama staff member who was not an experienced forger, and this was the only time he tried to forge a document? I would think that such a person would make mistakes, like forgetting to check the date of the signature against the date of the stamp to make sure that they were the same.

Also, if the form is authentic, I would think that the postal employee would have pointed out the mistake to Obama if the date was really July 29 and not July 30 as we see next to Obama's signature.

And if the form is authentic, I find it difficult to believe that Obama's Selective Service form was the only document or letter or envelope or box that was stamped with the "19" missing in 1980 in that Hawaii post office and/or in other post offices in the rest of the country.

I say this: If you can't find any other document or letter or envelope or box with the first two digits missing---such as "19" or "20"---then you are left with Obama's Selective Service form being the only document in the history of the post office in which the first two digits are missing from the postal stamp.

sheesh....ignorance is bliss....

“Anyone out there who remembers Obama’s being posted in 2008? “
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2040486/posts

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Posted on Thursday, July 03, 2008 6:35:19 PM by SE Mom

The three children arrived in the U.S. on the ship “Providence” on August 23, 1930.

Chester Arthur's opponents tried to spread rumors he was born in Canada or Ireland.
Really?! That's news to me. Do you have something from the period to back up your assertion or is everybody just supposed to "take your word for it"?

And if you would, make it something other than this BS from ...@WikipediaAfter Arthur was nominated for Vice President in 1880, his political opponents suggested that he might be constitutionally ineligible to hold that office.[8] A New York attorney, Arthur P. Hinman, apparently hired by his opponents, explored rumors of Arthur's foreign birth.[9] Hinman initially alleged that Arthur was born in Ireland and did not come to the United States until he was fourteen years old, which would make him ineligible for the Vice Presidency under the United States Constitution's natural-born citizen clause.[9][note 3] When that story did not take root, Hinman spread a new rumor that Arthur was born in Canada, but this claim also failed to gain credence.[9]

Thanks! I remember that thread now. It is just that time has been flying by so fast for me I couldn’t believe that it was back in 2008.

Thanks STARWISE.

Except that a researcher who wrote a biography recently found Arthur's father was not a citizen until CA was 14 years old.

Rather than looking the evidence in the face, make something up, eh. :)

Then if he entered the US in 1930, Looks like bonafide derivative citizenship to me dated on his entry in 1930 if Aldo applied for derivative naturalization citizenship and had proof of Pietro’s Naturalization, Aldo’s birth date and lawful admittance, all of which appear he could easily obtained.......

CHART C: DERIVATIVE CITIZENSHIP- LAWFUL PERMANENT RESIDENT CHILDREN GAINING CITIZENSHIP
THROUGH PARENTS’ CITIZENSHIP
Date of Last Act Requirements-

Prior to 5/24/34:1 a. Either one or both parents must have been naturalized prior to the child’s 21st birthday;2
b. Child must be lawful permanent resident before the 21st birthday;3
c. Illegitimate child may derive through mo ther’s naturalizatio n only;
d. A legitimated child must have been legitimated according to the laws of the father’s domicile;4
e. Adopted child and stepchild may not derive citizenship.
5/24/34 to 1/12/41: a. Both parents must have been naturalized and begun lawful permanent residence.

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7 FAM 1156.3 Naturalization Prior to May 24, 1934 (CT:CON-313; 08-20-2009) a. Prior to the passage of the Act of March 1907, minors acquired citizenship of the United States under Section 2172 of the Revised Statutes through the naturalization of their parents. That section of law provided citizenship for children of parents duly naturalized, if dwelling in the United States, and if they were under 21 at the time their parents were naturalized. b. Evidence of Citizenship Claim: A person claiming derivative naturalization as a result of a parent(s)’ naturalization prior to May 24, 1934 must submit the following evidence in support of the claim: (1) A certified copy of the parent(s)’ naturalization certificate bearing the seal of the issuing court; (2) Evidence that the child was under the age of 21 at the time the parent(s) were naturalized; (3) Evidence that the child was residing in the United States with the parents while under the age of 21; and (4) Evidence that the child was lawfully admitted to the United States for permanent residence such as a foreign passport with a U.S. immigrant visa or Alien Registration Card.