Posted on 02/01/2012 1:47:55 PM PST by Music Producer
He is a fool who rejects the facts simply because he does not like them.
Where the law concerning birth certificates from the State of Hawaii are concerned, it is certainly disheartening to see so many people within our movement play the part of utter dunderheads. Because we so want to believe that there is some legal maneuver that will grant an attorney license to walk into the Department of Health in Honolulu and inspect whatever may or may not exist pertaining to Barack Obama, we are easy prey for the deceptive legal claptrap of a narcissistic attorney, and the online sources that echo those snake-oil sales pitches.
The facts are really not all that hard to understand, but first, one must be willing to set aside his preconceived notions about what those facts are (the notions that have been used as an insidious ploy to raise money), and approach those facts honestly. Having previously tried to relay those facts, only for them to be ignored by some, please allow me to present them in a different way that might make them a bit easier for those who appear to be willfully ignorant.
1. Barack Obama has no legal authority to give access to any original documents possessed by the Department of Health in Hawaii.
The State of Hawaii is the owner of all Hawaiian records of vital statistics. The Hawaiian Department of Health is the keeper of those records. Barack Obama has no authority over that which he does not own. Once issued a “certified copy” of any such record, the recipient is free to do whatever he would like with THAT document, but that has no bearing upon any original document the certified copy represents, as that is owned by the state, and not by the person named on the document.
Furthermore, a photocopy of the certified copy being sent to a judge in Georgia does not produce a legally valid reason for inspection of an original possessed by Hawaii. At most, the Georgia judge could request to see the certified copy from which the photocopy was made. Legally, that would be the extent of the judge's authority.
2. State courts have no legal authority to give access to any original documents possessed by the Department of Health in Hawaii.
Hawaii law (H.R.S. 338-18) prohibits access to, or inspection of, any birth certificate to anyone who doesn't have a direct and tangible interest (generally, immediate family members). No subpoena or Motion to Produce from any other state regarding original documents possessed by Hawaii will ever be enforceable, as providing such would be against Hawaii law. No state court has the power or jurisdiction to force a Hawaiian court to do something that would be against Hawaii law.
3. A certified copy of a birth certificate is legally considered an original.
Article IV of the Constitution (the Full Faith & Credit Clause) requires every state to consider documents certified as valid from every other state to be valid. In regards to birth certificates, a certified copy (with raised seal) must be viewed as equal in authority and validity as the original.
So, what will you do with your newly acquired knowledge? Will you continue to allow yourself to be whipped into a mouth-breathing frenzy because some internet headline states that a judge has given a lawyer a “green light” to obtain legally protected documents in Hawaii? Or, will you stop and think about the validity of those headlines in light of the law?
Here's the equivalent of the so-called “green light” that Judge Malihi gave: imagine that you walk across the street from your house, and you ask that neighbor for permission to request that your next-door neighbor defy the law of gravity and levitate. Knowing that he has no authority to stop you from requesting something of your next-door neighbor (regardless of your next-door neighbor's ability to honor your request), I'm thinking his response would probably be, “Sure, go ahead.”
That's the extent of Judge Malihi's “green light.” He doesn't possess the legal authority to stop any such request from being made to the Superior Court. But, here's yet another accurate prediction: the Superior Court won't even try to “levitate,” as it will understand that there are laws that prevent such an action.
If everyone in our movement could at least act like he comprehends these very simple laws, we might actually make some progress toward resolution. As long as we continue to behave like moths drawn to a counterfeit light of deceptive lunacy, we will all be viewed as nutwhacks by association—and that's what the media continues to do by focusing on the “grifter element” of our cause. As much as we really want for those baseless headlines to be true, they are not; so, if you continue to fall for them, not only is it your fault (because you've now been shown the truth), you are ultimately helping to destroy the very movement you claim to support.
As much as we all might wish that someone could walk into the Department of Health and be given access to inspect whatever documents may exist there, it would plainly be against the law for the DOH to allow such access. How can we be a movement that proclaims to embrace the law, and demands that the law be upheld, and yet at the same time, support nonsensical efforts to thwart the law? Something is very wrong with that picture.
Not until we have a brilliant attorney who can construct an argument against the Department of Health in Hawaii that, somehow, would allow that access within the law, will that ever happen. So far, such an argument has not even remotely been made. And, it could be, there is possibly no such argument that could ever be made. For that answer, you'll have to ask someone other than an “unemployed musician” (LOL!). If I were a lawyer, and there were an “unemployed musician” who knew the law better than I, I certainly wouldn't publicly call him an “unemployed musician.” But, that's just me. Whether we're called “bloggers” or “unemployed musicians” does not change who better understands these laws. You can take that to the bank!
The good news is, there ARE some legitimate actions underway—actions that are being cultivated within the constraints of the law. If you truly want to see us move forward in these eligibility issues, I strongly recommend that you focus on http://riseupforamerica.com/ and http://libertylegalfoundation.org/.
And, as always, Article2SuperPAC remains a resource committed to furthering our cause through education and underwriting. Visit them regularly at http://www.art2superpac.com/.
As you can probably imagine, my inbox continues to be slammed because of my recent articles. While the vast majority of what I receive is wholly supportive, there is still the occasional “not-so-supportive” message. Please be aware that, as I have previously stated, emails that simply attack me or praise incompetence, but do not address the actual facts, will not only be ignored, they will demonstrate the sender's unwillingness to learn the truth, and a lack of moral integrity by a support of, and association with, something that is ethically indefensible.
I will continue to share the truth the best I can. Just remember this: while the truth will inevitably set you free, it will likely piss you off first. Just do me a favor, get over your pissed-offedness and engage of few synapses to understand what the law really says, and how that law doesn't actually square with the seemingly endless deceptive tripe, before sending me any more emails.
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The FAIL is strong on this post.
You either forgot your (Barf alert) or you like dancing kitties.
***WHY ARE WE STILL SUCH GULLIBLE FOOLS?***
Not gullible - we are powerless!!
MP:”Hawaii law (H.R.S. 338-18) prohibits access to, or inspection of, any birth certificate to anyone who doesn’t have a direct and tangible interest (generally, immediate family members). “
Of course the parenthesis is your own? I think there are those who would grant a wider definition of “direct and tangible interest” than you have provided. It may even include governing bodies in states besides HI. And I have no doubt at all that federal government entities could possibly have “direct interest” (INS, FBI, etc.).
Does this answer your question?
http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/by:musicproducer/index?tab=comments;brevity=full;options=no-change
Yes, it certainly does.
He’s a blog pimp schilling for Obama.
Thanks for the link.
Actually, this entire argument is filled with lies.
Is this you, Dean?
http://www.deanhaskins.com/index.html
I can understand that you are angry with some of the methods that others are pursuing in the matter of Obama’s eligibility, but you don’t gain any greater credit for your cause by doing so.
Yes, Obama is illegitimate because he violates the Constitutional requirement that he should be a natural born citizen.
But that doesn’t eliminate the great probability that Obama was not born in Hawaii. Both the COLBS he put on the web are obvious fakes, the short form and the later long form. I think it is legitimate to pursue all the possible avenues to expose his various criminal frauds.
Obama still has not released a certified paper copy of his birth certificate, or allowed experts to look at it. Why?
Well, no matter what one’s take on Pastor Manning is, his interview of document expert Doug Vogt, is lucid and clear. That is because Doug Vogt is a very lucid, clear, even tempered and well-spoken man. He sounds somewhat like Chief Justice Roberts does when talking.
Google “Doug Vogt’s Mega Neutron Bomb On Obama’s Eligibility”.
You obviously either didn’t read the article, or you don’t understand it. Obama cannot “allow” anyone to have access to any original documents that are held by the DOH. He is not the owner of any such record—the state is. Period.
You obviously either didn’t read the article, or you don’t understand it. Obama cannot “allow” anyone to have access to any original documents that are held by the DOH. He is not the owner of any such record—the state is. Period.
To keep things as simple as possible, I stated “generally.” I am fully aware of HRS 338-18. It doesn’t change the facts about what I stated regarding the current (repeated ad nauseum) strategy.
Kenyan Parliament - “how could a young man born here in Kenya, who is not even a native American, become president of America?”
Dreams from My Father and dozens of other statements from Obama - Daddy was a Kenyan.
Forged BC he waved in front of tv cameras - Daddy a Kenyan.
The 2008 SR 511 committee of 6 US Senators, including the Kenyan and Clinton, and Homeland Security Chertoff signed their names in agreement to the definition of NBC meaning born in US or US military soil and having TWO US CITIZEN PARENTS. The Kenyan agreed a **second** time when that definition of TWO US CITIZEN PARENTS passed the Senate.
The Governor of Hawaii, who does have free access to DOH, said there wasn’t a BC. Then he came back saying something maybe possibly might have been written on somewhere but never said there was indeed a real honest to goodness BC.
Is Haskins supporting the case for Virginia’s brother to get her ‘vault birth certificate?
Who owns her birth certificate?
Good luck.
I've had to get a copy of the REAL long form birth certificate.. not some document with all the information -- a copy of the REAL thing.
All we are saying♩♪♫
is give release a chance♩♪♫
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