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1 posted on 02/01/2012 1:47:59 PM PST by Music Producer
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The Constutional Meaning Of "Natural Born Citizen"
2 posted on 02/01/2012 1:53:56 PM PST by sourcery (If true=false, then there would be no constraints on what is possible. Hence, the world exists.)
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The FAIL is strong on this post.

You either forgot your (Barf alert) or you like dancing kitties.


3 posted on 02/01/2012 1:56:22 PM PST by Responsibility2nd (Newt or else. What part of "Join or Die" don't you understand?)
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This seems familiar.....


4 posted on 02/01/2012 1:56:49 PM PST by Future Snake Eater (Don't stop. Keep moving!)
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***WHY ARE WE STILL SUCH GULLIBLE FOOLS?***

Not gullible - we are powerless!!


5 posted on 02/01/2012 1:59:01 PM PST by sodpoodle ( Newt - God has tested him for a reason...... to celebrate life and embrace the future.)
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MP:”Hawaii law (H.R.S. 338-18) prohibits access to, or inspection of, any birth certificate to anyone who doesn’t have a direct and tangible interest (generally, immediate family members). “

Of course the parenthesis is your own? I think there are those who would grant a wider definition of “direct and tangible interest” than you have provided. It may even include governing bodies in states besides HI. And I have no doubt at all that federal government entities could possibly have “direct interest” (INS, FBI, etc.).


6 posted on 02/01/2012 2:12:21 PM PST by visually_augmented (I was blind, but now I see)
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Actually, this entire argument is filled with lies.

Is this you, Dean?

http://www.deanhaskins.com/index.html

I can understand that you are angry with some of the methods that others are pursuing in the matter of Obama’s eligibility, but you don’t gain any greater credit for your cause by doing so.

Yes, Obama is illegitimate because he violates the Constitutional requirement that he should be a natural born citizen.

But that doesn’t eliminate the great probability that Obama was not born in Hawaii. Both the COLBS he put on the web are obvious fakes, the short form and the later long form. I think it is legitimate to pursue all the possible avenues to expose his various criminal frauds.

Obama still has not released a certified paper copy of his birth certificate, or allowed experts to look at it. Why?


9 posted on 02/01/2012 2:29:03 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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There may be a valid reason to seek a Court order to unseal previously sealed certificates. The Full Faith and Credit Clause extends to state based Courts.

§338-17.7 Establishment of new certificates of birth, when. (a) The department of health shall establish, in the following circumstances, a new certificate of birth for a person born in this State who already has a birth certificate filed with the department and who is referred to below as the "birth registrant":

(1) Upon receipt of an affidavit of paternity, a court order establishing paternity, or a certificate of marriage establishing the marriage of the natural parents to each other, together with a request from the birth registrant, or the birth registrant's parent or other person having legal custody of the birth registrant, that a new birth certificate be prepared because previously recorded information has been altered pursuant to law;

(2) Upon receipt of a certified copy of a final order, judgment, or decree of a court of competent jurisdiction that determined the nonexistence of a parent and child relationship between a person identified as a parent on the birth certificate on file and the birth registrant;

(3) Upon receipt of a certified copy of a final adoption decree, or of an abstract of the decree, pursuant to sections 338-20 and 578-14;

(4) Upon receipt of an affidavit of a physician that the physician has examined the birth registrant and has determined the following:

(A) The birth registrant's sex designation was entered incorrectly on the birth registrant's birth certificate; or

(B) The birth registrant has had a sex change operation and the sex designation on the birth registrant's birth certificate is no longer correct; provided that the director of health may further investigate and require additional information that the director deems necessary; or

(5) Upon request of a law enforcement agency certifying that a new birth certificate showing different information would provide for the safety of the birth registrant; provided that the new birth certificate shall contain information requested by the law enforcement agency, shall be assigned a new number and filed accordingly, and shall not substitute for the birth registrant's original birth certificate, which shall remain in place.

(b) When a new certificate of birth is established under this section, it shall be substituted for the original certificate of birth. Thereafter, the original certificate and the evidence supporting the preparation of the new certificate shall be sealed and filed. Such sealed document shall be opened only by an order of a court of record.
10 posted on 02/01/2012 2:34:30 PM PST by SvenMagnussen (What would MacGyver do?)
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Hawaii law (H.R.S. 338-18) prohibits access to, or inspection of, any birth certificate to anyone who doesn't have a direct and tangible interest (generally, immediate family members).

That's not what 338-18 says - also note #9 or (g) 1-5 says.

go here for the straight skinny
11 posted on 02/01/2012 2:36:39 PM PST by stylin19a (time to Obamanos)
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Well, no matter what one’s take on Pastor Manning is, his interview of document expert Doug Vogt, is lucid and clear. That is because Doug Vogt is a very lucid, clear, even tempered and well-spoken man. He sounds somewhat like Chief Justice Roberts does when talking.

Google “Doug Vogt’s Mega Neutron Bomb On Obama’s Eligibility”.


12 posted on 02/01/2012 2:40:05 PM PST by bvw
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Kenyan Parliament - “how could a young man born here in Kenya, who is not even a native American, become president of America?”

Dreams from My Father and dozens of other statements from Obama - Daddy was a Kenyan.

Forged BC he waved in front of tv cameras - Daddy a Kenyan.

The 2008 SR 511 committee of 6 US Senators, including the Kenyan and Clinton, and Homeland Security Chertoff signed their names in agreement to the definition of NBC meaning born in US or US military soil and having TWO US CITIZEN PARENTS. The Kenyan agreed a **second** time when that definition of TWO US CITIZEN PARENTS passed the Senate.


16 posted on 02/01/2012 3:10:54 PM PST by bgill (The Obama administration is staging a coup. Wake up, America, before it's too late.)
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Good luck.


19 posted on 02/01/2012 3:16:18 PM PST by El Sordo (The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen.)
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Is it asking too much for the arrogant jerk to release a document that we little people are required to release many times throughout our life times?

I've had to get a copy of the REAL long form birth certificate.. not some document with all the information -- a copy of the REAL thing.

All we are saying♩♪♫
is give release a chance♩♪♫

20 posted on 02/01/2012 3:17:22 PM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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The Ultra Hussein Head is the only one to spout ANYTHING about proceedings in Georgia today?!


27 posted on 02/01/2012 3:40:54 PM PST by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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For the person who typed the article posted above:

contumely n 1. Rudeness or contempt arising from arrogance; insolence. 2. An insolent or arrogant remark or act. Will you continue to allow yourself to be whipped into a mouth-breathing frenzy . . . .

29 posted on 02/01/2012 3:48:05 PM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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Music,
I quite agree that Orly’s “green light” should be taken with a grain of salt. I especially think so because as far as I can tell, Jablonski was clever enough to avoid to placing the purported Birth Cert image as an actual exhibit of evidence for the OSAH trial.

I am a bit confused though as to why you would bother working with Duncan Sunahara given what you seem to be saying here. I interpret your words to imply that whatever Hawaii says is real, is real and that no one has any recourse or means to prove otherwise.

If HDOH were to step forward in that case with a high-resolution color photocopy of an original birth certificate made with crayons and showing the attending physician to be Wyle E. Coyote, MD, my reading of what you say is that no court could force any sort of clarification, even if the Sunahara family could produce an authentic early copy from their own document vault that radically contradicts HDOH’s latest offering.

I probably misunderstand what you are saying, but in such a case, it sounds like you think that Hawaii could simply say, “We have no idea what that old-looking apparently forged document is, but we know that we have given him the correct copy accurately representing the authentic Crayon-made original that resides in our files.”

Cannot judicial fact-finding and investigative purposes trump document handling laws where fraud and other felonious deeds may come into play?

I don’t mean to say, “So, see you’re wronger than Orly!” I just mean to ask if you could clarify whether in your understanding of current Hawaii law, there is any way at all to overcome Fuddy and HDOH’s complicit participation in Obama’s fraud. Is it just that there isn’t enough evidence yet to justify a court order or a warrant for search/seizure? Or do you consider that there is no legal circumstance (short of amending Hawaii’s laws) in which the HDOH could be compelled to be held accountable for what they produce and claim as authentic?

Do know that regardless on my confusion on the above points, I do sincerely thank you for all the time and energy and money you have poured into this cause.


38 posted on 02/01/2012 4:38:29 PM PST by ecinkc (Fuddy, Fukino and Onaka: Criminal Co-conspirators in Chief?)
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The facts are these: that Barack Obama and the Democratic Party have spent a small fortune to prevent us from seeing a 10 dollar copy of his birth certificate, starting with the courtroom of R. Barclay Surrick in Philadelphia Pa before the last election. The Party reportedly has spent well over one million dollars to keep from laying out a 10 dollar copy of his birth certificate.

This would not be if he had a valid birth certificate. The fact is he does not. It couldn’t be any more simple. He does not have a birth certificate from the United States. After 5 years of this nonsense, you should also be convinced. If you are not, you are not paying attention. He assumed the office of the President of the United States while not being elligible under the Constitution of the United States. If he were, he would have shown it by now.


39 posted on 02/01/2012 4:42:58 PM PST by maxwellsmart_agent (I)
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To the author...

Who do YOU mean by we?

You must have a mouse in your pocket or you are assuming you know me well enough to speak for me.

Save your breath.


40 posted on 02/01/2012 5:10:49 PM PST by Randy Larsen (ROTFLMFAO!)
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It seems you would focus on your efforts in the Virginia Sunahara birth certificate....what is the status of that case?


46 posted on 02/01/2012 8:17:53 PM PST by Grand
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It seems you would focus on your efforts in the Virginia Sunahara birth certificate....what is the status of that case?


47 posted on 02/01/2012 8:18:09 PM PST by Grand
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