Posted on 09/23/2011 6:54:44 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
THE TRUTH FOUND A VOICE IN RICK PERRY
FoxNews-Google GOP Primary Debate [September 22, 2011] Gov. Rick Perry: [snip] ………If you say that we should not educate children who have come into our state for no other reason than that they've been brought there, through no fault of their own, I don't think you have a heart. We need to be educating these children because they will become a drag on our society. I think that's what Texans wanted to do. Out of 181 members of the Texas legislature, when this issue came up -- only four dissenting votes. This was a state issue. Texas voted on it. And I still support it greatly. [end] Texas Gov. Rick Perry responding to a question by Chris Wallace
Gov. Rick Perry has stated (for years) that the U.S. border with Mexico must be sealed. He has requested assistance (many people on the ground and drones in the air for Intel – he has studied how this is done in Israel). As Governor of Texas, he has been rebuked in person by the current president, who refuses his pleas for the Federal government to do its duty and provide the necessary means by which to seal our country’s international border with Mexico. The governor’s written requests go unheeded.
Texas spends hundreds of millions of dollars of state money to defend its border with Mexico. An elite Texas Ranger unit, put together by Perry, is working to hold the line on our border. Rick Perry has stated that fences do work in urban areas but are not effective, let alone feasible, along the 2000 mile Mexico - U.S. border (1200 miles in Texas alone). The Federal government ignores this problem, while at the same time blaming and punishing border governors when they try to protect their states. People in other states, without understanding the facts, blame border governors when this federally manufactured problem spreads into their states.
President Obama believes security is just fine on the border (better in fact than before he took office) and frankly, he’s following past examples where foreigners are allowed to cross into the U.S., where those with work visas are allowed to slip into U.S. society without any earnest, federal or court action to prevent it, where states are not allowed to ask children their legal status before attending school, where healthcare is accessible to everyone and where federal “social justice” programs have been put into place, thus beginning the progressive process of teaching new generations that it is “normal” to be dependent on government largess. [funded by those “more fortunate” Americans]
Then, periodically, another couple of generations are proclaimed by the federal government to be in the U.S. legally, by magnanimously proclaiming, “You can come out of the dark now and stay.” [sign up here for your Democratic Party voter card]
Rick Perry, as president, wants to finally seal the border and stop the flow of illegal immigrants and drugs – stop those vile cartels who traffic in human beings and drugs, and secure a dangerous, porous entry used by terrorists seeking to destroy America. The current administration is willfully enabling those who prefer border security remain as it is, those who characteristically (for self interest) want to avoid addressing and dealing with these problems.
Undeniably, Governor Perry is the GOP candidate most familiar with this issue and the problems associated with it. Texas has a long and rich history with Mexico. Mexico is the number one trading partner with America. Many U.S. citizens have Mexican ancestors who are proud Texans and Americans, many who have, are, and are willing to fight for America. Hispanics are the largest minority living in the United States. They have a high birth rate and are a major minority voting demographic. This didn’t happen because Texas shares over 1200 miles of international border with Mexico. The current magnitude of the problem, along with the number of the illegals in Texas and the United States, has everything to do with historic and current Federal inaction.
The Federal government looks to the states and tells them to “deal with it.” So state governments and their citizens have to “deal with” crime and a fast growing, uneducated population that puts a huge strain on state and federal resources. The resulting fall out for state government is, “you’re damned if you do and "you’re damned if you don’t." Gov. Perry and the Texas Legislature have accepted the criticism for taking the “damned if we do” path because they’re “dealing with it” first hand and Texans understand that "we're damned if we don't." These children are here, their potential and future has been put on our watch -- it is a practical and human decision and as Rick Perry said, “You don’t have a heart if you don’t.”
In 2001 the Texas Legislature voted in an Act (signed by Gov. Rick Perry) allowing children brought to the U.S. illegally (basically stateless people) by their parents, who complete 3 years of high school in Texas (graduate and want to attend college) to apply for U.S. citizenship and pay instate tuition. Their “anchor baby” siblings have this right by virtue of the 14th Amendment (that gave citizenship to children of slaves – slavery was abolished by the 13th Amendment). If the country wants to abolish “anchor babies,” a majority of states need to vote for a change to the U.S. Constitution. The Texas education program is called the Texas Dream Act. The Texas Dream Act is not the same as the rejected Federal Dream Act proposed by the U.S. Senate because that federal legislation in totality and reality was an immigration bill.
The purpose of the Texas Dream Act is to have successful, educated citizens contributing toward a strong economy -- not unemployed or underemployed school dropouts who place a huge drain on our system [and begin generational poverty in their communities]. As past Federal actions have repeatedly shown Texas, illegal immigrants most likely will be allowed to stay. So the smart thing to do is allow them to pay instate tuition and be contributing citizens versus benefits receiving citizens. Gov. Mitt Romney does not agree with this and in fact rejected this approach in Massachusetts.
The truth found a voice in Rick Perry. Gov. Perry has said and believes that Conservative Ascendancy is how we will bring America back from the brink. Besides getting Americans working again we need to show them the value of conservatism and how those values encourage and support strong families and a free country.
Last night former Gov. Mitt Romney sounded like a “Snidley Whiplash-Simon Legree” character, while Gov. Rick Perry was “Dudley do right” looking after “Little Orphan Annie.” How do you think Barack Obama will (or won't) play these sound bites in his re-election bid for 4 more years?
Mitt Romney wants the status quo, which continues to feed the pipeline of generational, programmed victims -- driving trapped and dependent people into the arms of the growing army of the Democratic “fight for social justice” Party. Rick Perry wants to change the status quo and bring more voters into freedom – businesses owners, entrepreneurs eager to join the Republican Conservative Ascendancy Party – no matter what their last name or color, or gender or faith. And the border must be sealed first in order to do this.
Do the math. Rush Limbaugh has. Rush, like Gov. Perry, wants everyone to succeed (not secede). Rush, like Rick Perry, knows we’re at the crossroads that will decided the future path of the United States (and the world). Will it be Perpetual Dependency or Conservative Ascendancy? Democratic Party leaders are herding us into warring camps hoping to take us on the road to socialism. The states must take back power from the Federal government and get this country back on the road to free market capitalism.
This isn’t a Sound Bite issue.
“Nice try” Mitt.
And that absolutely should not be allowed. I wish we had a candidate up there who was strong enough to say that.
Texas did pass the Voter ID bill, though, over the protests of whining minorities. We have to show a picture ID at the polls now and I'm quite OK with that.
For Those Of You Who Believe What You Hear Without Checking Your Facts: Governor Rick Perry Doesn’t Spport Illegal Aliens-—> “To Qualify For The Texas In-State Tuition Rate They Have To Turn Themselves Into Immigration Officials And Be In The Process Of Acquiring Citizenship. It Is Exactly Like US Military Service= If You Aren’t A US Citizen You Can Still Serve As Long As You Are In The Process Of Acquiring Citizenship.”
And it took Texas SIX years to get that through and to Gov. Perry's desk to sign. Very few states have PHOTO voter ID required by law that Texas now has. Obama's Attorney General Erick Holder is "looking it over" and will no doubt be challenging it.
Perry is going to be in for a big surprise in the FL and SC primaries. His remarks on immigration will hurt him badly. In fact SC has a law specifically prohibiting illegal immigrants from receiving in-state tuition as does GA, AZ, and CO. We are working on one here in VA.
In state tuition is even a big issue in one of the bluest of blue states, MD, which passed in-state tuition for illegals this Summer. The outcry was so great that a petition movement to put the issue on the ballot succeeded. They got twice the number of signatures required and did so in record time. People were begging to sign it. The law has been suspended pending the outcome of the referendum. The ACLU and La Raza are trying to undo the petition through a court challenge. They know that, like gay marriage, putting the issue to the people will kill it. Perry has made a major blunder.
I was leaning toward Perry until last night. He really lost me with his immigration remarks. I am not going to be able to get past it and I think it put off a lot of folks. I don’t want to face that amnesty fight again that Bush put us through.
***If the schools knowingly harbor an illegal, they need to be treated like a company who hires an illegal! FINE THEM, send the kids and their illegal parents back to their own country for an education.***
But Perry won’t even crack down on and fine the *businesses* that employ illegals. He won’t crack down on Sanctuary Cities. He won’t do crap.
He whines. He whines that Obama isn’t doing enough when there is PLENTY that Texas herself could do to address this problem. Instead, he implements a program that’s going to only ENCOURAGE illegals to stay and cost money.
When Jan Brewer came out swinging, the contrast was laid bare. Here was a state legislature and governor who were serious about addressing the problem.
And Perry just looked vaguely uncomfortable with Arizona’s actions and said that he didn’t think that this would be a good idea for Texas.
I agree with Perry that this is the responsibility of the Federal Government; however, when the FG doesn’t step up, it is the responsibility of the individual states to defend themselves.
I can understand him agreeing with the policy, and appreciate that he is not trying to doubletalk his support of it, but he didn't set it.
FWIW, I agree with your position on the policy.
For Those Of You Who Believe What You Hear Without Checking Your Facts: Governor Rick Perry Doesn’t Spport Illegal Aliens-—> “To Qualify For The Texas In-State Tuition Rate They Have To Turn Themselves Into Immigration Officials And Be In The Process Of Acquiring Citizenship. It Is Exactly Like US Military Service= If You Aren’t A US Citizen You Can Still Serve As Long As You Are In The Process Of Acquiring Citizenship.”
It sounds like Perry has illegals under pretty good control. As long as the Feds are worthless, and any state that tries to seriously stop illegals is punished, I think the other states should follow Perrys lead. He's doing more than anyone else I've heard about.
Good job Perry! Too bad all this couldn't come out in the debates.
Wow!! you still with this guy after last night?
Nothing. It's a legally meaningless sound bite the Perry fans have latched on to.
Fighting a deportation order could be considered "working towards citizenship".
Newsmax
Analysts: Romney Overpowers Perry in Spirited GOP Debate
Thursday, September 22, 2011 09:30 PM
By: David A. Patten
Texas Gov. Rick Perry seemed to lose steam again Thursday night under withering criticism from his GOP debate rivals — especially former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, who battered him again over Social Security and illegal immigration.
If you don't mind, and if you know, could you summarize what "working toward US citizenship" consists of?
Somehow the morons in government cannot figure out that subsidizing a behavior results in more of that behavior.
I did and do not support the KS version of this excrement law, either.
Sometimes I wonder if Shakespeare didn’t have a valid point. (First... the lawyers.)
Former Sen. Rick Santorum of Pennsylvania piled on the criticism and called Mr. Perry “soft on illegal immigration” and alluded to a Perry speech from 2001 at which the Texan extolled the virtue of studying a “binational health insurance” program between border areas of Texas and Mexico.
“I don’t even think Barack Obama would be for binational health insurance,” the former Pennsylvania Senator quipped, sparking laughter from the audience. “So I think he’s very weak on this issue of American sovereignty and protecting our borders and not being a magnet for illegal immigration.”
I've checked my facts. And what you outline is pandering to illegals. It's giving illegal-aliens an opportunity they should not be given. They're here illegally and any pandering to them given their illegal status implicitly condones their decision to break our immigration laws.
And to anyone who claims the bill affects the students and not their illegal parents, both parent and child are here illegally, and the parent is awarded for their illegal entry by our giving their child a bonus toward an education. That's pandering and I'll have none of it. Your candidate can go back to Texas and stay there. I'll not vote for him.
If one wanted to do the research I suppose that one could find all the evidence he wanted as to what happened in 2001. I’m just depending on my recollections off that period at the moment but I’ll guarantee you that if Texans were honestly polled on the question today you would find them in overwhelming opposition to in state tuition for illegals!
I’ll have to see if I can find out who actually carried the bills. That was a long time ago and I simply cannot recall.
Almost nobody cares. John McCain won the Republican nomination in ‘08 as an advocate of thinly veiled amnesty. No candidate of either party is going to take any serious steps to deal with the problem of mass illegal immigration. The political class is a monolith on this point. No serious candidate will be better than Rick Perry. Any Democrat will be worse. The public knows this and only a very few zealots will be foolish enough to make voting decisions on the basis of distinctions that make no difference.
Perry's immigration pablum won't hurt in the primaries. It will actively help him with some constituencies, even before the general. In Florida, for example, Perry will gain support for having emphasized his warm concern for the interests of the Hispanic residents of Texas. Any inroads Perry can make among Hispanic voters come next fall will help pad his margin.
Yes Perry insulted us with his droolingly stupid comment about heartlessness. We all need to get over it. At the price of insulting conservatives (who still have no place else to go) Perry has enhanced his appeal to a demographic that is souring on Obama and may be decisive, both in key primary states and in the general. That's probably a good trade. It's silly to get worked up about it, that's just the way the game is played.
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