'Irrefutable' proof of Obama forgery

WND ^ | July 16, 2011 | Jerome R. Corsi

[RobinMasters]

NEW YORK – Unless the typewriter used to type Barack Obama's purported Hawaiian "Certificate of Live Birth" in 1961 was magically capable of producing different size and shaped images with the exact same key, the document released by the White House April 27 is a forgery, says a professional typographer with 50 years experience.

"Steel-stamped letters do not expand to larger sizes and morph into different styles of type," retired New York City typographer Paul Irey told WND.

As WND previously reported, it would be impossible for the different letters that appear in the Obama birth certificate to have been typed by one typewriter, according to Irey.

"These are irrefutable proofs of forgery," he said.

His newest analysis suggests the document was assembled from images of letters or words taken from other documents.

"The forger who produced the Obama Hawaii long-form birth certificate may have thought that all typewriter typeface styles were alike," he said.

"To get his letters, the forger must have understood that he needed to copy the old typewriter styles," he continued. "So the forger probably scanned a bunch of old birth certificates, without realizing that the letters in the old files were from different typewriter styles. That's why the letters in the forged document do not match each other."

Irey used as a source document the Xerox copy of the Obama birth certificate the White House press staff handed to the press assembled in the White House pressroom on April 27, as seen in Exhibit 1:

[Kleon]

But this is really a clear and well presented analysis of variations in the typefaces that could not occur if the letters examined had been produced on a single typewriter. I thought this one was particularly devastating:

The second R is affected by the fold of the paper, while the first one is not. Like, duh.

[Fantasywriter]

Anyone with an open mind, not shilling for Obama [I am speaking in purely general terms] knows there is a huge problem with Barry’s ‘birth records’. Here’s how Mike Evans, close friend of Neil Abercrombie, put it:

Evans’ report on Minnesota’s KQRS began with following words:

“Good Morning. Good Morning. This next item, no show business, but I have a personal interest so I thought I would share it with you. Former US Congressman from Hawaii Neil Abercrombie has been a friend of mine for decades. In fact, when I first met Neil, he was driving a cab in Honolulu.

“Well, Neil and I spent a lot time together in Washington DC during Obama’s inauguration. Neil told me then that he was going to run for Governor of Hawaii, that he had enough of being a US Congressman.

“He also told me a story that he had told me many times after Barack had became famous that when he was in college going to the University of Hawaii he was friend of Barack Obama’s dad, and he remembers Barack Obama as a little kid, he used to call him ‘Barry.’

“In fact, I did a TV interview with Abercrombie at C-SPAN the day after the inauguration, and he had to stop twice because he referred to the President as Barry, which he, after he did it, he said, ‘I can’t do it, I gotta call him Mr. President.’

“Well, Neil promised me that when he became Governor that he was going to cut through all the red tape, he was going to get Obama’s birth certificate, once and for all and end this stupid controversy that he was not born in the United States.

“Yesterday, talking to Neil’s office, Neil says that he searched everywhere using his power as Governor, at the Kapi’olani Women ’s and Children’s Hospital and Queens hospital, the only places kids were born in Hawaii back when Barack was born.

“There is no Barack Obama birth certificate in Hawaii. Absolutely no proof at all that he was born in Hawaii.

“Now, he went out, he loved Obama, I mean he purposely did this to get rid of that question, now, got some egg in his face, I mean now he admits publicly that there is no birth certificate . . . .” Click the video below for the rest of the story:

Now who can read that, and make the argument that Barry’s records are in perfect order, and reflect exactly what Barry says they reflect? Any honest person has to see we’ve been hornswaggled. And I see no reason for dishonest people to be posting on these threads.

http://einhornpress.com/GovernorNeilAbercrombieontheObamaBirth.aspx

[Tex-Con-Man]

Mike Evans completely backed away from that claim...look it up.

[wintertime]

And I see no reason for dishonest people to be posting on these threads.
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Yes, there is a reason: TREASON!

[Fantasywriter]

It doesn’t change the fact he said it to begin with. Read his words. He’s not mincing them. He thought it would be a huge story, and he wanted to be one of the journalists—if not the journalist—who broke it. He underestimated the ability of Obama’s WH to lie and get away with it.

Read the transcript again. He repeated the same story all that day. Something changed by the next day. He didn’t suddenly realize he’d been repeating a figment of his imagination. He was told to alter the truth. Why would anyone suggest otherwise?

[Fantasywriter]

All anybody has to do to know there is something horribly, horribly amiss with Barry’s ‘birth records’ is rewatch the presser where Abercrombie was specifically asked about Obama’s BC. Abercrombie goes green at the gills and gibbers a couple of lines about a “notation”, something “written down” - and then he shuts the press down with an iron fist. No, he did NOT see the form that was released. He found a notation of some kind, and it scared him witless. He stammered and staggered his way through a presser that was obviously the last place on earth he wanted to be—and he’s never spoken of it since.

Still people shill for that form that was released. It’s mind-boggling.

[Tex-Con-Man]

I listened to the interviews when they happened.

Evans was a Hollywood gossip reporter unaccustomed to having his stories closely scrutinized. If you listen to the interview where he was forced to contradict his own words, you get the sense that he suddenly realized he had stepped into it, and was just trying to back away from a claim he couldn't prove, without admitting he made it up.

If you want to believe someone made him change his story, be my guest. It would be the birther fallback position of expanding the conspiracy to explain away unwelcome news.

[Fantasywriter]

So you’re contention is that Evans made up a conversation with his good friend Abercrombie, which never happened, and went on show after show to repeat his lie. He lied about the existence of a BC—or rather the nonexistence—of THE BC of THE sitting president of the US. The next day, wishing to look like a blithering idiot, he retracted his lies, and that was that. No repercussions for lying about the president; no fallout for lying about his conversation with his good friend Neil.

Sorry, that is the most absurd theory I’ve heard since the 9-11 truthers. It is irrational on every level.

[Tex-Con-Man]

Your response does not surprise me in the least.

[rolling_stone]

...Your response does not surprise me in the least...

Neither does your response surprise me. It is one of the weaker “arguments” you have presented IMO. Evans knew what he did what he said and he recanted. Doesnt change the facts..

Abercrombie recanted too after he either realized what he said or ws told to do so. Hawaii lies...5-0

[Fantasywriter]

Do you really believe Evans is out of his mind? That he got up one day and said, ‘Know what? I’m going to make up a weird, wild, earth-shaking conversation that I never had, and lie that it happened between Abercrombie and me. And here’s the kicker—I’m going to lie my butt off, and say Abercrombie told me, in so many words, that Obama’s BC does not exist! Wow—this is the best idea I’ve ever had! I’ll go on twenty or thirty radio shows, and repeat the same lies! Nothing will happen to me, because Abercrombie and Obama will never hear about them. I’ll impress people with this huge, major story that I broke, and make a name for myself, and it will be so cool!”

But the next day, he woke up and said, “You know, all those lies weren’t so smart after all. Somebody might snitch and tell Abercrombie, and surprise surprise, he might not like being lied about. So now I have to look like a blithering idiot, and admit I made the whole thing up. Oh shoot; who could have seen this coming?”

Anybody who believes that’s what happened is either stupid or otherwise detached from reality. Only a lunatic thinks functional people operate that way. Since the men in white coats haven’t thrown a net over Evans, the above theory is absurd.

[rolling_stone]

What you said! Correctamundo.

[jh4freedom]

Here are some questions that don’t add up for me.
Why do you think that the previous Governor’s administration in Hawaii said that there was a birth certificate on file and why did they produce the short form?
Why would a Republican Governor who gave one of Sarah Palin’s endorsement speeches name Obama’s Honolulu birth hospital?
And how did the birth statistics for Obama get in the August 13th and August 14th, 1961 editions of both Honolulu newspapers?

My theory is that there IS an original, long form, vault copy birth certificate in Hawaii’s records. However I believe that the birth doctor named on the birth certificate, David A. Sinclair or a maternity ward clerk fabricated birth information for a birth that never took place at Kapiolani Hospital in Hawaii and he or she sent that fake birth information on to the Hawaii Health Bureau as a favor to Barry’s grandparents. The Health Bureau then forwarded the birth information on to the newspapers for inclusion in their Vital Statistics section of birth certificates, death certificates and marriage licenses issued.

The story about Abercrombie not being able to find it can be explained by the fact that the State Registrar had already moved the Obama files to a more secure location months earlier. The new governor’s administration in Hawaii which was only a month old at the time looked in the wrong place.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/04/27/obama-birth-certificate-moved-secure-location-months-ago/

And finally, there’s the 1961 birth Index data:
http://www.courierpress.com/news/2011/apr/24/hawaii-accessing-some-obama-birth-info-easy/

[Fantasywriter]

Please don’t take this the wrong way. It is a friendly, honest question. Are you Jamese777? If not, how is it that you are posting all the things he used to post?

I’m not trying to start anything. I am genuinely curious. Thank you in advance.

[Fantasywriter]

Thank you. I’m pretty much using time I don’t have to post tonight, but I wanted to weigh in. The idea that Abercrombie couldn’t find the BC, if it existed, is hogwash. But there’s always an excuse, isn’t there? ::shakes head::

Anyway, best to you, rs. I always read these threads when I can, and I enjoy your posts invariably.

[LomanBill]

[At the end of the day, people believe what they want to believe and the majority of people don’t WANT to believe that their president is illegitimate, any more than the Germans back in the 1930s wanted to believe that their rulers were genocidal monsters.]

 

It is a collective form of delusional insanity that is incompatible with and antagonistic toward the truth.  It is that contrived and self-serving manifestation of human nature that has repeatedly, throughout history, disarmed truth of her natural weapons.     It is Ba'al, the natural state of affairs that humans will inevitably collectively gravitate toward, where government, instead of being an instrument for securing the inalienable rights of the individual, becomes a subjugating object of mandated worship and servitude --- from which the American founders sought to protect themselves and their progeny with the 1st amendment, and the 2nd.

“truth is great, and will prevail if left to herself, and is the proper and sufficient antagonist to error,
 and can have nothing to fear from the conflict, unless (by human interposition) disarmed of her natural weapons

– free argument and debate: errors ceasing to be dangerous when it is permitted freely to contradict them.”
-- Thomas Jefferson

An American citizenry that willfully discards its ability to perceive the Truth with its own free mind, and to articulate it in with its own free voice --- is only vestigially American, and the bull excrement is headed for the wind tunnel.

 

[rolling_stone]

IBTZ

[vanilla swirl]

“You have to to convince the voters that “ rule of law” matters.

Step one would be convincining them he wasn’t born here. The problem is nobody wants to believe that.

You gotta get past that part first before you worry about the “rule of law”. “

I disagree. Obama was “elected” and that’s truly all that matters. Also, he is black, so we have to give him a pass for all sin.
The average Democrat/liberal/commie’s eyes glaze over when you start to talk about the “rule of law”. It means nothing to them. Constitution is a “living document” and all that.

[ml/nj]

The second R is affected by the fold of the paper, while the first one is not. Like, duh.

You're kidding, aren't you?

Let's look again:

#3 is shorter. It has a long flat serif. The serif on #145 is short and stubby. The cross stem on #3 thickens toward the right; the one on #145 thins toward the right. The framed areas are completely different as pointed out by the caption here and by moi at post #38 on this thread. The downstem on #145 looks like a little 'L'; the one on #3 looks like an backwards 'J'.

Anyone who asserts that these two 'R's were typed on the same machine is either a White House flack or delusional.

ML/NJ

[ml/nj]

Fifty-six men sat down and drafted a list of grievances that led to their decision to declare independence. There was no army, no navy, and no military involvement at all.

You might also look up Continental Army and follow some of the links there.

Interlopers here do not get to invent their own histories.

ML/NJ