Even as Energy Secretary?
Surely we could worship her as Energy Secretary!
"Drill Baby! Drill!"
Posted on 06/14/2011 4:20:58 PM PDT by parksstp
Okay Folks, Enough is Enough!
I have enjoyed participating in this forum for a long time because I enjoy supporting the conservative values people like JimRob, the Tea Party, and other decent Americans hold dear to. It's obvious we are in the fight of our lives for the long-term survival of this country. 2012 is clearly a major turning poing that could very well decide whether or not America survives.
Because of this importance, it is paramount we select the right candidate, the true conservative that will stand with us on all the conservative specturms (social, economic, domestic, and foreign policy). We absolutely cannot settle for another RINO or Democrat-lite candidate.
Many people here have been passionate in support of "their" candidate. Others have expressed gloom and doom with no hope of survival. Still others have taken the "my candidate or nothing" road. I want to address these.
Michelle Bachmann, Herman Cain, Sarah Palin, Rick Santorum (listed alphabetically). All of these individuals have strong conservative credentials, and based on what I know, I would feel comfortable and empowered with supporting any of them in a general election against Obama. Nobody is ever perfect, but these four individuals have shown time and time again that they have the character and the heart to direct the country in the "right" direction.
That being said, I have become alarmed and disheartened at the amount of attacks generated against these folks by posters on this board claiming to be conservative. I have seen Michele Bachmann absolutely brutalized for one reason or another, being labeled a "phony, stalking-horse, RINO, inexperienced, unintelligent". I have also seen Herman Cain get hammered as an "Establishment guy, Anti-2nd Amendment, TARP loving RINO". And some people just can't let the whole Santorum/Spector thing rest. It's like many posters for whatever reason want to turn reality on its head.
I know a lot of people on this board like and support Bachmann, Cain, and Santorum. Personally, I really like Michele and her debate performance last night strengthened my opinion of her. As I said before, I could easily support any of them.
I think many of the Palin supporters feel the same way too (that is, if she decided not to jump in, they could support one of the three above without much reservations). And many of us supporting one of the three candidates listed above, could possibly move to the Palin camp if she got in without any problems.
However, there appears to be a strong minority of the Palin supporters on this forum that are trying hard to deliberately suck the life out of any other conservative candidate who might actually be just as able to carry the conservative banner in the 2012 election. The notion of these folks is that Palin is the only "true conservative" who can do no wrong and that any other candidate claiming to be a conservative in this race is simply a "wolf in sheeps clothing", and that we should simply wait for her entry into the race so that she can be rightfully "annoited". After all, they say, once she enters, the debates against the other conservatives will be useless because she is already obviously the winner!
As someone that believes in conservative values and independent thought, I reject this notion and take great offense to the attacks these people have thrown on Bachmann, Cain, and Santorum.
I like Sarah Palin a lot. I love how she has learned to torture the media and turn the game on them. It's clear she is the most charasmatic of all the conservative indiviudals listed. Beleive me, it would be awesome watching her win on Election Night just to see the reaction of the liberal media (I predict Olbermann would hang himself). She's more than capable to be President.
But Sarah Palin isn't the only conservative. And contrary to some people here, she isn't an object to be worshipped. This type of infatuation always leads to disappointment, because NO candidate is perfect.
I like Michelle Bachmann. And I like Herman Cain too. And if either of these individuals ever made it to the WH at the top of a ticket, then I believe are country would be in good shape.
So I'm asking nicely to please, stop the attacks on the other conservatives in this race. These people are not rivals, they're allies. Let them each state their case to the American people, then take a step back, and make a good, rationale, objective decision.
P.S. By "Conservative Candidates" I do not mean Romney or other RINOS (those folks are fair game)
Really? Well, even a broken clock is right at least twice a day.
See this is what I’m talking about. Rollins and Ethanol are serious issues that can and should be brought up if trying to fairly criticize Michelle Bachmann. But calling her some type of stalking horse or a fake conservative, twisting her words (that video above), or trying to write off everything she’s done and fought for in support of the Tea Party and labeling her a RINO or bad news because of what the MSM is pure BS.
Likewise, Cain had a serious issue with TARP, but I believe he answered that criticism as best he could last night at the debate turning away from it. Blitzer’s “gotcha” question trying to force him between deciding whether Gun Rights or States Rights was more important at the expense of the other was stupid because both can clearly co-exist. Cain made very clear he was pro-2nd amendment. A few sentences later he said he favored the rights of states to make the own decisions about gun regulation. This somehow got interpreted as him saying states could overwrite the 2nd amendment, which is absurd, because that would be an overreach of the 10th Amendment. Many people jumped on him though to try to twist his words.
And I’ll repeat again, I like Palin, would support her and would vote for her. It was because of her in 2008 and not wanting to take any chances with absentee ballots not being counted, I drove 15 hours from DC to FL so I could go home to vote in person. She has sufferred some of the most horrendous personal attacks that a public figure has had to endure in modern times. Looking at the Electoral Map, she absolutely can win the election, just like I believe the other conservatives can as well.
It is? Do you mean that this is the last post on this thread, or the last post on this subject? Are you going to continue to troll Palin threads, spout your unsupported anti-Palin talking points, flame her supporters, and then play the victim?
And those better ways are employed most of the time, and the blasters are in a very small minority.
And many of them are NOT Palin supporters, they are doing it to make it seem like all Palin supporters are like that.
Let's not buy into that spin.
That is not debating, that is petty whining. And baiting instead of debating.
And then you say: "The Fanatic Fringe respond with name calling, wishing death to those who disagree, calling freepers “fags”.
You say that like it is the only thing that happens.
If you see someone wishing death on another FR member, I hope you hit the abuse button so that person can be banned.
Oh my, someone was called a fag???
Wow, only a poofter would complain about that.
Let's debate some more.
Your socks don't match.
Thanks for your posts on this thread.
Some people simply cannot be gotten through to, but both of you did a good job setting a lot of myths to rest.
Since it's such a routine occurrance, you could surely give some examples.
You might find "Palin worshipers" if you dig long enough.
I've never used "bots" in my life, I think it's idiotic.
If at day's end the worst I've been called is a fag, I consider it a "win".
Cain has problems... I am still listening but I find his being part of the fed and his stating that nothing is wrong there... that an investigation would turn up nothing... when history proves that incorrect... and his weakness on the Second Amendment (WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT I WILL GO TO WAR TO PROTECT) is troublesome.
santorum is a lying pos “moderate”. You see... I was listening to him and michael steele when they were subbing for Bill Bennett on “Morning in America”, before and after the 2008 election. I heard both men say that “The Era of Reagan Is Over” and that, “The electorate has become much more progressive in the last few years and we must as a party embrace more diversity. We must move in the direction of the electorate”.
I attacked michael steele for all of his leftist positions, before he was elected as rnc chair and was attacked myself here for doing so... but I was right about steele and he was the worst rnc chair in recent history. santorum is no different... same school of moderation... same school of saying one thing and doing another... same bullsh!t that has destroyed America. Then there is that whole specter crap. Yes I do agree with one part of your post... ENOUGH IS ENOUGH! NEVER AGAIN... SAVVY?
LLS
The sarah or nothing crowd are being ridiculous.
The sarah or nothing crowd are being ridiculous.
Well, that was dang funny. Thanks!
Oh, please. This is positively tame compared to what I’ve seen in the past. Only 2004 was tamer, and that’s because we had an incumbent who wasn’t facing any kind of serious challenge.
Even as Energy Secretary?
Surely we could worship her as Energy Secretary!
"Drill Baby! Drill!"
Michele Bachmann has been endorsed by the freakin NY Times for crying out loud.
How is Michele backstabbing Sarah? There were many many Presidents w/ children in the White House.
I don’t see what your seeing. Michele is talking about her and her family, not Sarahs.
If when you are called a fag you whine about it.....
...you just MIGHT be a homo!
My husband in his younger years actually voted for Jimmah. He is now too conservative to post here. LOL
David Horowitz was raised in a communist home and became a radical too in his younger years. He is now an active conservative.
Sometimes the people who totally see the light and find their way to conservative are the most staunch.
santorum is a lying pos “moderate”. You see... I was listening to him and michael steele when they were subbing for Bill Bennett on “Morning in America”, before and after the 2008 election. I heard both men say that “The Era of Reagan Is Over” and that, “The electorate has become much more progressive in the last few years and we must as a party embrace more diversity. We must move in the direction of the electorate”.Very interesting historical information, LLS, thanks for posting it.
And what is Steele doing now?
He's a commentator on MSNBC...heh.
Interesting that they bought into the lie about who the electorate is and what they really support: "We must move in the direction of the electorate."
If they really did that, they would seriously embrace the Tea Party Movement. Instead of giving it lip service as they do now.
Oh, nice the use of the leftist liberal dem term "progressive." Talk about being outed!
Yeah, it is amusing to see all of the whining about the alleged lack of civility among Palin supporters that is prefaced with name-calling. In other words, they are exercising the very incivility they claim to find so appalling among the pro-Palin folks.
Which makes their opinions worthless. They apparently want to bash Palin and her supporters on FR without being challenged. Which is pure crap - if you are gonna throw a punch, be prepared to get punched right back.
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