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1 posted on 06/08/2011 9:38:09 AM PDT by curth
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To: curth

Sorry, Herman, but any chance of my support for you just ended.

The 2nd Amendment is no more negotiable than any of the other Amendments and it pains me that you think otherwise.


2 posted on 06/08/2011 9:41:14 AM PDT by MeganC (NO WAR FOR OIL! ........except when a Democrat's in charge.)
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To: curth

Can’t argue with this, as long as the 2nd Amendment of the Constitution is upheld within the states and localities. Having said that, I’d like to hear more from him on this.


3 posted on 06/08/2011 9:41:22 AM PDT by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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You know, I really do like Cain but this is just a dumb answer.

First Amendment -- "CONGRESS shall make no law ..." Okay, if you wanted to make the case that a state could abridge freedom of speech and religion, you might have some ground to stand on.

Second Amendment -- "The right to keep and bear arms SHALL NOT be infringed". Not by the feds. Not by the states. Not by the towns. No one. It is an absolute right.

Cain ought to know this.

4 posted on 06/08/2011 9:43:24 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The USSR spent itself into bankruptcy and collapsed -- and aren't we on the same path now?)
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Another one bites the dust. Cain is a silly candidate anyway. Just a way to avoid making a real choice.


6 posted on 06/08/2011 9:44:35 AM PDT by Huck (The Antifederalists were right.)
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To: curth

Uh oh.


7 posted on 06/08/2011 9:44:35 AM PDT by OKSooner (Obama confessed "his muslim faith" on the George Stephanopolous show on September 7th, 2008.)
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To: curth

What? He could not be more wrong about this issue.


9 posted on 06/08/2011 9:47:44 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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oops!


10 posted on 06/08/2011 9:47:48 AM PDT by devistate one four (Popping smoke! 2012 the year of the taxpayer! TET68)
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Oops! You sure about that Herman?


11 posted on 06/08/2011 9:48:00 AM PDT by RC one (DO NOT RAISE THE DEBT LIMIT!)
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To: curth

Wrong Herman, the 2nd amendment must apply everywhere!


15 posted on 06/08/2011 9:51:14 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a matter of fact, not a matter of opinion)
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Aka, New York City type control, ok?

Lol.

22 posted on 06/08/2011 10:02:10 AM PDT by Palter (We can't afford a Republican or Dem President. We are broke.)
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Mr. Cain is dead wrong.

The Constitution is not a State issue.

I live in Maryland and if it were left to this Commie Democrat State they would outlaw cap pistols, and water guns.

The Federal Government must protect us from Democrat Richard Craniums in State Legislatures.


23 posted on 06/08/2011 10:03:14 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: curth
WRONG!

Thank you for playing, Herman. Now go away.

35 posted on 06/08/2011 10:19:11 AM PDT by magslinger (Because I read The Book and paid attention!-FReeper Psalm 144)
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CAIN: I support the 2nd amendment.

B: So what’s the answer on gun control?

So what's the question?

40 posted on 06/08/2011 10:27:37 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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Not real sure which campaign is telling it's bots to run around the net trash talking all the other candidates, but it is a really stupid idea.

Conservative are use to seeing this sort of political activism from the Leftists, it doesn't work with us.

47 posted on 06/08/2011 10:39:20 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving politicians more tax money is like giving addicts free drugs to cure their addiction)
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This is disheartening news. I had hopes for Mr. Cain. I hoped he would be as conservative a candidate as Palin but without the negatives. But this (again?) demonstrates at least a lack of preparation on another issue (like the “Right of Return” gaffe). IMO

Look at the 10th Amendment MNJohnnie posted. The way I read the Amendment, it seems to indicate, basically, states have a right to regulate anything they want, as long as it doesn’t interfere with any of the rights expressed in the Constitution. Thus, a state can’t limit one’s free expression of speech and/or religious belief. But a state CAN regulate something not expressed in the Constitution, like abortion for example. (at least until the SC decided to butt into that, which is now why a Right of the Unborn Amendment is pretty much necessary to truly put that issue to rest, or at least another ruling that extends Constitutional rights to the unborn, but I digress).

The point is, the States don’t have the power to regulate what they wish, regardless of the Constitution. They can only regulate what hasn’t been specifically enumerated in the Constitution. And the 2nd Amendment is obviously IN the Constitution already, so, Q.E.D.


56 posted on 06/08/2011 10:53:35 AM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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To: curth
Death knell...

Good bye Herman.

57 posted on 06/08/2011 10:54:40 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (explosive bolts, ten thousand volts at a million miles an hour)
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Only the rights NOT enumerated in the Constitution are reserved for the states...the 2nd Amendment IS enumerated.

That means that anywhere I travel in the USA, I can "bear arms". If I'm on a long road trip, I will be packing - especially in today's "pottersville" atmosphere.

Herman either just showed his ignorance of the Constitution, or he's signed up in the RINO club.
58 posted on 06/08/2011 10:56:49 AM PDT by FrankR (A people that values its privileges above its principles will soon lose both.)
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To: curth

Scratch Cain. Now down to 18 possibles.


61 posted on 06/08/2011 11:05:01 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ ("If I ever kill you, you'll be awake. You'll be facing me, and you'll be armed. " Mal Reynolds)
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Here's my take (and Constitutional scholars, feel free to correct me):

States do have the right to regulate some aspects of gun ownership, but.... my reading of the Heller decision is that they cannot issue regulations that as a practical matter would render that right impossible to exercise.

For example, a state may require licensing and training as a condition of handgun ownership, but they cannot require citizens to keep their guns disassembled or under lock and key in their own homes (as in D.C.).

A key issue is the "incorporation" of the Bill of Rights into state law. State regulations that functionally prevent citizens from exercising their right to bear arms in self-defense cannot pass Constitutional muster. State laws in respect of such rights must have a rational relationship to a legitimate state interest (such as public safety).

For example, it is not enough that a state authority maintains that they may mandate gun locks because they make guns "safer", because such laws also make the use of a firearm functionally impossible when it is most needed. But can a state require you to pass a proficiency exam and pay a fee as a condition of empowering a police chief to issue you a license to carry? Yes, it can.

63 posted on 06/08/2011 11:10:57 AM PDT by andy58-in-nh (America does not need to be organized: it needs to be liberated.)
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WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG!!!!

Okay, he’s crossed off my list!


65 posted on 06/08/2011 11:18:48 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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