Can we please keep comments about the Mormon faith off the political discussion threads?

one man's opinion...

[ken5050]

As we enter the GOP primary season, I'm starting to notice more and more an annoying trend here in FR. It seems as though everytime there's an article, or someone posts a comment about Romney, either pro or con, it nearly always devolves into an extended, and acrimonious discussion about the Mormon faith. Those who defend it, and those who, for whatever reasons, can't abide it, both sides seem determined to wage an "end of times" batte on all the FR threads. Frankly, I'm tired of it, and just wish it would stop. I think that probably 99% of others here feel the same way.

[Elsie]

Fair Mormon addresses this same topic here.

Pd; you STILL don't want to explain things; do you!?

[Elsie]

Fair Mormon addresses this same topic here.

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2 Peter 2:1-3  1.  But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them--bringing swift destruction on themselves.  2.  Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute.  3.  In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.

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[cantabile]

I agree completely, but I suspect your post will fall on deaf ears. It's also why no public conservative figures will touch this website with a ten foot pole anymore.

I agree with ken5050 as well, but as you can see even this thread has turned into a Mormon-bash. Being Catholic, I disagree with the Mormon faith, but my opposition to Romney doesn't stem from his theology. He was my governor, and imposed his own form of Obamacare upon us. Surely, there's plenty of objective evidence of his unsuitability for the Presidency to be found in his record in Massachusetts alone. No need to alienate all LDS in the process.

FR has squandered its potential as an organization with real political clout (remember when Bob Barr was a member? Lucianne Goldberg? Matt Drudge?) because bigots of various stripes have been permitted to run wild, swamping principled political (and religious) discussion. It's self-reinforcing, as those who would like to keep things civil and well-reasoned leave for greener pastures, which causes the net concentration of screwballs to increase.

The Religion Forum has been a never-ending Catholic-bash for over a decade. Obviously, attacks on one's most intimate relationship, that of the individual with God as he understands Him, are the mostly likely to cause bruised feelings, emotional rather than intellectual responses, and flame wars. The potential of the Religion Forum was to bring together people of a common conservative political outlook, but from different faith traditions, into a solidarity of mutual cooperation and understanding. Re-fighting the Thirty Years War is a very effective means of squandering that opportunity as well.

I don't see things improving unless JR directs the mods to put a stop to this pointless bickering, and restore some sanity to this place. Until that happens, FR will be useful primarily as a news aggregator rather than a discussion forum or means of political influence or of organizing activism.

[Elsie]

No selective memory, LC, I still remember that you are a Guy who's initials are LC so you like posting under Elsie to see how people react to your antics coming from a female name...

Oh?

How have I done so far in this thread; DU?

[Elsie]

I have been damned to hell numerous times, been threatened with death, and called every name in the book right here on FR.

Dang!

I wish I had a resume' like that!

NObody loves ME enough to HATE me...

[Elsie]

My posts reveal more about me than I would ever reveal, yet I have and I can look at them and say I have behaved well.

How do you KNOW you've 'behaved well'? ;^)

[ken5050]

Thanks...you said what I was trying to say, far better than I did..but alas, it will also fall mostly on deaf ears. The way this thread has devolved makes my point...but nobody will note it..

[Elsie]

Mitt does have the qualities of a used car salesman and a stake president rolled into one.

There's a lot of that going around!

[Elsie]

I posted a link to an article, did you read it?

PD; you KNOW you gotta post the ENTIRE List-o-Links® to be of any effect at all!

[ken5050]

Forgot to add....remember when Barbara Olsen would post here, and Tony Snow..those were the days..even then it was also necessary, when Snow's appointment was announced, that IMMEDIATELY every one of his posts, even his logon, was scrubbed from the Website..

You look at a site like RedStae, where Senators, and presidential candidates, post their comments...could that ever happen here?..nah...

[Tennessee Nana]

No selective memory, LC, I still remember that you are a Guy who’s initials are LC so you like posting under Elsie to see how people react to your antics coming from a female name...
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Elsie is not a woman ???

Oh

Oh

Oh

well I never

This is awful

Does his mother know ???

[Colofornian]

front and center message

Allow me to define "front and center message" for you in a more comprehensive way so you'll understand the context.

As I look at the Jewish faith, the rejection of Jesus as the Messiah is indeed what I believe will constitute a make-or-break aspect of how Judgment Day will begin to be sorted out.

However, does the Jewish faith operate on this same single premise? That if they don't disprove the Messiahship of Jesus, it cannot justify its very existence?

(I don't think so)

In a related way, does the Jewish faith operate on the single premise that if it can't 100% undermine the very authentic existence of the Christian church, its very continued existence is at stake? (Again, I don't think so)

Therefore, the reality of the established Christian church is not the perceived single premise that makes or breaks Judaism as it has continued on.

The same cannot be said of the Mormon religion -- at least in terms of the rejection of the church of the Messiah.

Mormon leaders HAVE to somehow disprove the authentic reality of the historic Christian church or else it cannot justify its very existence!

If the historic Christian church was weakened, but was still in existence, then there was no need for a Smith "restoration." A reformation perhaps? (Of course. Reformation is ongoing). But a "restoration" as Mormons use it is always a two-pronged conceptual understanding: UNIVERSAL APOSTASY and restoration.

If no restoration from the ground floor up was needed, Smith was superflous. He was redundant.

Mormonism has never claimed to be a reformation -- a branch from Protestantism. (I can cite you chapter & verse on that from their leaders).

If the Mormon church allowed the historic Christian church to be deemed a truly authentic church alongside of it, then Smith's words in the opening Doctrine & Covenants of the Mormon church make him out to be a false prophet. There, Smith claimed that the Mormon church was the "only true and living church on the face of the earth." (D&C 1:30)

Therefore, the Mormon church rests upon this single premise: It is built upon the presumed mass graveyard of historic Christianity. That it was dead. And was in need of a Smith-led resurrection.

If you take away that single premise, that single pillar of the Mormon church, you have no Mormon church.

It's in this way that the Mormon messengers cannot be separated from the Mormon message. If the Mormon message removed the apostasy, it's also removing its very central pillar of the restoration.

So you have an epic fail here if you somehow think that Mormons could simply relocate this message of theirs "to the back of the webpages" and muzzle their missionaries.

I cannot see them putting their central pillar on its back burner.

Finally, another consideration is in order. I covered this in my last post to Graybeard58: Judaism doesn't claim to be Christianity, now does it? That can't be said of Mormonism, which does claim to be Christianity.

Let's say you were distributing a certain beer brand. And somebody else came along offering that same beer brand -- but it was a totally different product -- you wouldn't care? Or what if you were a retailer & another retailer hijacked your exact same distinctive name. Won't you risk your reputation going down the drain with the other retailer if you don't respond to at least distinguish them from you?

The latter above is happening all the time due to Mormonism.

Let's take how Mormonism has provoked liberals to take broad pot-shots at religion in general: What else do you call the Book of Mormon musical phenomenon in NY?

Have you looked @ the "anthem" that musical uses? Its title...so appalling I won't repeat it here for fear of being struck down by God! The anthem isn't just aimed at Mormonism, but the low-grade god Mormonism says it embraces! Yet, liberals don't distinguish between the Mormon god and the Christian god, now do they? (In fact, sadly, many conservative FREEPERS show their shallowness and don't either)

Peter Preston of the UK Guardian wrote a column this week that pinpoints this exact effect of Mormonism.

Even though as Preston wrote it, he was referencing Book of Mormon the stage production -- not Book of Mormon the book -- what he said actually applies to both: "When The Book of Mormon mocks one religion it – sweetly or sourly – pulls every religion down with it"
Source: Mocking the Mormons: A musical deriding Latter Day Saints – sweetly or sourly – pulls every religion down with it

The musical Book of Mormon drags all other religions down with it besides Mormonism...But you know what, so does the book the Book of Mormon: It, too, mocks all other religions as being of Satan (1 Nephi 14:9-10).

Such irony. It's as if God has said, "Mormons, with your book of Mormon, you mock my people as Satan's. He who mocks with the printed sword will themselves endure mocking. As you drag down, others also not of My Name will join your drag-down campaign."

[Tennessee Nana]

Cheap shot Ken

Both Barbara Olsen and Tony Snow are dead

[Elsie]

...the First and Second century Christians Don't believe the Trinity...

There you go AGAIN!

Making assertions with NO references.

They most certainly DID or else it would not be a sticking point with you cult members.

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I'll tell you what the 1^st & 2^nd century Christians did NOT believe: that GOD the FATHER had a PHYISCAL body!

[who knows what evil?]

The way this thread has devolved makes my point...but nobody will note it...

Give some of us a little credit... :-)

[Elsie]

Sigh, not this again!

Not again: STILL!

[Elsie]

Sigh, not this again!

It mattereth not; says PD; it's been addressed a thousand times.

[Elsie]

read the Stats on FR from the article, they are chilling.

Speaking of CHILLING...

Now that warm weather is here; you MORMONs will NOT be eating meat; isn't that right?

[Tennessee Nana]

I have been damned to hell numerous times, been threatened with death,
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DU you claimed to “pray” for me in your mormon fashion last night

and yet you have the cheek to complain of the same treatment ???

[Elsie]

Dang! This is why I don't get involved in there threads anymore, it's 3AM here and I am the only one still up slogging through the posts.

I hear you on this one!

I was up 'til 2 and finally slithered off to bed...