Posted on 02/03/2011 4:21:18 PM PST by butterdezillion
The Problem with the Announcement Stories
Two items have been offered as evidence of Barack Obama being born in Hawaii: an online COLB image which the HDOH has indirectly confirmed in 2 different ways as a forgery, and online images of birth announcements in the Hawaii papers shortly after Obama’s birth. This post will explain why I believe we’ve been fed – and swallowed – a lie about where those images came from. Later posts will give a glimpse of just how far it seems somebody was willing to go in order to have something – anything – that would suggest Obama was born in Hawaii, a critical need since Hawaii Governor Neil Abercrombie told Mike Evans (transcript and audio link) he had gone into both hospitals (Kapiolani and Queens) with a search warrant but found no birth certificate for Obama.
First the claims:
Shortly after Barack Obama’s campaign website posted what they said was Obama’s Certification of Live Birth (COLB) and questions arose regarding its authenticity, Lori Starfelt decided to see if there was a newspaper birth announcement for Obama in Hawaii. She contacted the HDOH and was told that on Fridays they printed out a list of the week’s births; “The Honolulu Advertiser” used that list to print birth announcements in their Sunday paper. So Starfelt calculated that if Obama was born on Friday, Aug 4, 1961, his birth would have been on the list the following Friday, Aug 11th, and should appear in that Sunday’s paper – Aug 13th. She contacted the Hawaii State Library (hereafter HSL), asking for a copy from the microfilm of the Advertiser’s birth announcements on Aug 13, 1961, and was sent an e-mail with an image that had Obama’s announcement on it. She posted that image, along with her story, at Texas Darlin’ Blog around July 21, 2008. (See Post 7679 )
Several days later “Infidel Granny”, posting at Atlas Shrugs Blog, said she had asked a woman at the Advertiser office about birth announcements and was told to check the HSL. She asked the HSL for a copy of the Aug 13, 1961 “Advertiser” birth announcements and the librarian sent an e-mail with the image, saying she had it handy since somebody had just asked for it a week earlier.
On Aug 13th “Koa” at Texas Darlin’ Blog posted an image for the Aug 14th Star-Bulletin announcements, which he/she had copied directly from the HSL archives.
Around Oct 21 a poster at Prius Chat also posted an image of the SB announcement, saying, “Here's a copy I made today of the August 14th (could have been the 15th or 16th), 1961 Star Bulletin newspaper showing Obama's birth announcement stored on microfilm at the Hawaii State Library in Honolulu. I had to enlarge it to the point of losing the top of the page with the date and day in order to make it readable. The microfilm is stored in the basement of the library and was in the box marked Star Bulletin Aug 1, 1961-Aug 16, 1961. ..."
On Oct 29th Whatreallyhappened.com posted images of both the Advertiser and Star-Bulletin images, which were said to be directly from the Star-Bulletin and Advertiser – which both had their microfilms stored at the Advertiser building. Note that he was not told to contact the HSL, as “Infidel Granny” says she was told.
Texas Darlin’ Blog archives, Atlas Shrugs Blog archives, the original article on Whatreallyhappened, and the Wikileaks page which also posted a copy which was a text-searchable file, have all been removed from the web, and the page at Prius Chat requires registration first; neither I nor several others who tried to register were allowed to do so. So the whole story of these claims and the images themselves have been scrubbed, except for fragments (such as the ones I link to) where others discussed and/or copied material, some of which have now been scrubbed from the web also.
I got Starfelt’s Advertiser image from a link referenced elsewhere as being Starfelt’s image, when the image was still available (“Infidel Granny” was given the same image). Whatreallyhappened still has their images posted. The Prius Chat Forum still has the link to their Star-Bulletin image. I copied Koa’s image from Photobucket when it was still available as linked to from the original post atTD Blog. (In my analysis links below I cite where each image came from.) So the images I have used come directly from the original sources.
To verify that I have not altered the images, here are some other places that still have images (as of today), although not necessarily saying the source: Both, Advertiser, Advertiser, Star-Bulletin .
And next the documents themselves:
When a person looks at the documents and claims about the documents, and compares them to what is actually in the Hawaii State Library microfilms, it is obvious why somebody would want these claims buried – although I am not making any specific allegations about who has done what. That should be investigated by someone with subpoena power. Here is a concise summary of what we have:
The Advertiser image that Starfelt and “Infidel Granny” supposedly got from the HSL is pristine. But in reality the HSL microfilms are so scratched up they are nearly unreadable. When a colleague asked the HSL librarian in late April, 2010, for a copy of the Aug 13, 1961 Advertiser birth announcements – the exact image that Starfelt and “Infidel Granny” supposedly got from there - this is what she was told about the condition of the microfilm (emphasis mine):
"As for your request for the Aug. 13, 1961 Honolulu Advertiser birth announcement page, I looked it up, but unfortunately, the microfilm is so worn down on top of being poorly microfilmed, that it is hardly legible. You might be better off asking another library that has a better, less used copy than ours. Or does it have to be the Advertiser? I checked the Star-Bulletin and that date and that film is fine. Let me know."
The Starfelt and “Infidel Granny” images are pristine, with no sign of being “poorly microfilmed”, which would be a constant state for the microfilms, not affected by usage. Those images are clearly not from the HSL microfilms as claimed. However, they match perfectly the images WRH got from somebody at the Advertiser office (with the exception of one C&P line in the left margin below the Asing announcement, which disappeared by the time WRH got a copy). A comparison of the images is here.
Conversely, the Star-Bulletin image – which is the exact same image for WRH, Koa, and the Prius Chat poster (right down to the same piece of hair caught in the viewer when the copy was made and the same waviness in the page being scanned), even though they each claim to have acquired their copy independently, and WRH even claims a different source - has a large scratch down the column of text. But the HSL’s Star-Bulletin microfilms are pristine, including the copy from Aug 14th, where there are no extra marks or scratches anywhere. A comparison of the images is here. To believe the stories of Koa and the Prius Chat poster, you’d have to believe that scratches disappear over time.
Summary:
It is clear that what we were told about where these images came from is not true.
It appears that somebody at the Advertiser office gave out images to select people with the instruction that they were to peddle them off as genuine – the Advertiser image to the librarian at the Hawaii State Library, the Star-Bulletin image to “Koa” and the Prius Chat poster (who may have been the same person), and both images to Whatreallyhappened.com.
This is according to the statements already made and images already made public, which show glaring discrepancies in the stories. There are other discrepancies in the claims which stand out to those who have researched the microfilms as well, and those will be addressed later.
But for now the question is this: Why would somebody at the Advertiser office deceive the public into thinking their birth announcement images were actually copies made directly from the Hawaii State Library microfilms by individuals acting on their own? Why intervene at all, rather than letting these individuals get what really IS in the HSL microfilms? And who was in on this deception?
Those are questions that deserve an answer. Those like Bill O’Reilly and certain “news sources” who cite these images as their reason to ridicule “birthers” would do well to find out exactly why somebody worked so hard to deceive them on where those images actually came from.
How are audits done without those transaction logs? Or is the information from the transaction logs put in a form that doesn’t compromise the security?
There’s an article where WND interviewed an expert in document fraud, who said that it is imperative that states audit their records by looking at the transaction logs, but that states don’t do that right now so the data could be totally compromised. Basically he was saying that the only way anybody can know whether a record had integrity was by actually auditing the trail of transactions. If that can’t be done without giving away all the secrets of the kingdom, then we literally have a system we can never trust. Is that what you’re saying?
Perhaps I’m wrong, but you appear to be fairly new to this discussion.
You would probably enjoy one of the finer threads on FR, in which Fred Nerks has posted excellent and well-documented research into the culture of ex-pat black Americans in Africa at the time of The Birth. It’s fascinating reading:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2278969/posts?page=1
They did travel by ship.
And you really should mend fences with Fred Nerks. She’s been at this for a long time, deserves respect.
1) Think of it as the old nuclear “mutually assured destruction”. The Obama machine likely had as much on Hilary and Bill and they did on him. What would happen if Hilary had pushed the issue? Obama would have said, “Gee! I'm sorry!” and gone back to his day job as Senator. Hill and Bill would have gone to prison.
2) Let's say Hilary had pushed the issue of Obama’s ineligibility. Hilary would have had a LOT of very **ticked-off** blacks very mad her. Obama would have painted her as an elitist, white, petty, and very privileged white woman who stole the presidential nomination from a handsome black man. The Obama Chicago machine would claimed Hilary was choking on the gnat of a constitutional “technicality”.
Occam’s Razor?
Answer: It was better for Hilary to wait for the 2012 elections. And...I believe that Hill and Bill are behind Abercrombie, the LA Times and NYT articles, and especially Chris Matthews’ statement.
Why would he need to alter the passport records if his passport has always been based on a Hawaii BC?
A record of birth isn’t supposed to be in the archives unless it’s a 75-year-old Certificate of Hawaiian Birth or a Registration of Foreign Birth. Everything else is supposed to be in the Vital Records office permanently.
In her first announcement, Fukino said she verified that they have an “original birth certificate” for Obama “on record in accordance with state policies and procedures”. Her second announcement said she had personally seen the “vital records” claiming a Hawaii birth. Notice that she nowhere claimed that any of the records are or ever were legally valid.
If they had an “original birth certificate” at the Vital Records Office then why would Abercrombie go to the hospitals with a search warrant looking for just that?
And if they ever had a legally valid BC for Obama, then why was Obama’s name not in the 1960-64 birth index in March of 2010?
The HDOH has indirectly confirmed that what they have for Obama right now is not legally valid because it was amended in 2006. What kind of amendment would be so important that a person would amend a BC 45 years after the fact, rendering the BC legally invalid - right before he knew he was going to need it for a very important legal purpose? The only way I could see an amendment to a BC while Obama was considering a run for POTUS is if he had nothing to lose because the BC was ALREADY INVALID anyway - if it was incomplete or late, for instance.
As always, my argument is that these discrepancies are serious enough that there should be a legal investigation of WTH is going on with Obama’s records.
Yes. What you want is a "detailed history." Specifically, a "detailed vital records history" for Barack Hussein Obama II.
Uh obama sr apparently didn't want SAD or vice versa the money issue was just an excuse. She made her way through school in Washington & Hawaii, wouldn't it have been cheaper for her to have lived with obie sr and gone to school near Harvard like UMass or dozens of other colleges?
Charter and unscheduled airlines were substantially cheaper than scheduled flights, and flew regularly to Hawaii. Tourist specials. The airlift charter was less than $300. The rest of the trip from Kenya might have been less regular but nevertheless available. So where was SAD in spring and summer 1961? How many months was that? When did she find out ‘Sr. was already married, after she went to Kenya? Why did sr go to UHawaii which was farther away?
Obie Sr got financial aid from aafs, and being a commie and taking Russian Language, could he have gotten financial aid from the commies in Hawaii like Frank M Davis?
The burden of proof is on Obama to prove his eligibility not on us to prove he is ineligible.
No, that’s not what I’m saying.
The ability to audit records is usually required by law or business requirement. When that ability is required, a software programmer usually writes that functionality into the software. The records that his software creates are typically called “audit records.” Sometimes they’re called “transaction records/logs.” In the latter case, they are technically speaking application-level transaction records.
The transaction logs (also called audit logs) that a DBA uses are not in a format that said programmer can use to mine data. Technically speaking, these are system-level (or database-level) transaction logs. They are most definitely not “records” in the sense that you mean.
This is going to throw Occam’s Razor for a loop, but.... (lol)
something also has to explain why McCain totally backed off, wouldn’t let Palin do anything with this even though she has since said they should have pursued it harder, why the courts have been compromised by seemingly-deliberate ethics violations as well as refusals to take up the case, the original judge (Surrick) apparently having his “decision” faxed to him from somebody else (a decision that suddenly dismissed the case as unimportant even though he had been treating the case with due diligence up to that point), Dick Cheney’s failure to ask for objections as required by law in the electoral vote count, etc
So Occam has a lot more explaining to do also; just want you to know that it’s not as simple as appears, when you look deeper at the actions of the various players.
I suspect that the run on the bank in September of 2008 was orchestrated by Soros to try to counter the effect of Sarah Palin. The polls had returned to neck-and-neck for about a week as a result of Palin being chosen as VP at the time the bank run happened.
Shoot. I need to get the family ready for church. When I get back I’ll see if I can look up any of my posts where I detailed some of my supporting reasons, but I suspect that Soros told the critical characters (including the media heads, which he threatened most probably in the week of Oct 17-23, IIRC) that if they didn’t play along with this illegal usurpation, Soros would collapse the entire western economy.
Sept 23, 2008 was a really, really weird day: McCain suspended his campaign and wanted the debate (which he needed in order to have any hope of winning) postponed or canceled. And Bush, who had been totally quiet the whole previous week to allow Congress to sort out what to do on its own until then, suddenly said he would give a speech to the nation; in that speech he said that the entire western economy would be destroyed if they didn’t do something NOW (and others have said that TARP wasn’t a drop in the bucket compared to something that would really have an impact; the impact of TARP was its SYMBOLISM as interpreted by somebody like..... Soros and his hedge fund managers).
With a weapon/threat like that, Pelosi and Reid could almost promise their colleagues that they didn’t need to fear voters. What they didn’t count on was the Tea Party. But even in the “lame duck session” America got totally screwed because Obama et al had some bargaining card beyond what is out in the open. The next election is 2 years away and voters have a short memory; it wasn’t the threat of bad press that got those concessions in the lame duck session.
I know it sounds crazy, especially since I can’t go into all the reasons or timeline, but please believe that I have looked long, hard, and deep into this hypothesis and the more I see, the more it withstands the smell test. Right down to Soros’ union of communism and Islam - which we can see in Egypt right now, and Obama’s actions with Egypt, including his statements to the Egyptian ambassador. That union is what gives Soros the economic power to be able to threaten the entire world economy, beyond what he’s done personally to bankrupt various countries. With the Islamist money in alliance with him he had enough to impact the world like he has always impacted vulnerable countries.
And remember the undocumented millions of campaign contributions - and Obama planning in a depressed economy to raise a BILLION for the 2012 campaign. Where’s he thinking he’ll get a BILLION in campaign funds, when he’s fairly consistently had approval index ratings similar to GW Bush’s?
Shoot. Gotta literally run! I wish I could post all the stuff that factors into this. More later.
In the first divorce she signs Stanley Ann and by 1980 in the second she has definitely dropped Stanley and now is just S. Ann.
You needn’t post all the underlying details/proof. I get the gist of what you’re saying. I concur it explains a lot. Any efforts by Soros were facilitated by MSM’s being in the tank for Obama. But even if we accept that explanation, then recent events become a bit of a puzzle. Why let Abercrombie—an alleged friend of Obama’s—shoot his mouth off for as long as they did? Why not, after the very first day he made noises about getting to the bottom of the BC thing, have a “frank” conversation about how he’s not helping matters? Instead we get him talking out of school with a good radio buddy and then having to shut HIM up, which greatly amplifies suspicious among Joe Public that something ain’t right.
Anyway, if Soros truly is the evil genius pulling all the strings and getting even Republicans to shut up about this, that doesn’t bode well for its ever getting resolved. A man capable of keeping a lid on a conspiracy this vast presumably also has the means to ensure that this goes nowhere in the judicial process.
“wouldn’t it have been cheaper for her to have lived with obie sr and gone to school near Harvard like UMass or dozens of other colleges?”
Actually, Ann did the cheapest possible thing, which is live with her parents until Obama was born. Perhaps that arrangement got old, led to tensions, whatever. What is beyond dispute is that Ann attended UW for awhile and then returned to HI to finish her degree. None of that proves she had the means to take an enormously expensive flight to Africa.
You provide no evidence of such means nor do you offer even a remotely plausible motive. What’s the point of going all the way to Africa for a birth only to return very shortly thereafter? Sr. hadn’t finished his schooling: the motive cannot have been to live in Africa for any extended period. So again, with facilities 5 times safer in Honolulu, what would motivate anyone to spend more than $10K in today’s dollars to give birth in Africa and then come right back home????
“Charter and unscheduled airlines were substantially cheaper than scheduled flights, and flew regularly to Hawaii. Tourist specials.” Flew regularly from AFRICA to Hawaii??? Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. You have provided none.
“The airlift charter was less than $300.” A source would be most useful, since I’d be curious to know whether this was the one-way cost (which seems likely, since those on the airlift did not return to Africa for many years). If so, then the RT cost is not that much less than my back-of-the-envelope calculation of $800. And even if it represents a RT fare, that still translates into $2200 in today’s dollars. You still haven’t shown where Ann would have gotten the equivalent of even $4400 for the 2 of them to make a flight that makes no logical sense to take in the first place. The average car cost only $2850 that year. The average NEW HOUSE cost $12,500.
http://www.thepeoplehistory.com/1961.html
How many people do you know would spend one third the cost of a house to let their knocked-up daughter take a joyride to Africa to birth a son, thereby quintupling the child’s risk of dying in the process? IT MAKES NO LOGICAL SENSE.
“my argument is that these discrepancies are serious enough that there should be a legal investigation of WTH is going on with Obama’s records.”
You’ll get no argument from me. I just think it’s better to treat these as genuine puzzles from a completely agnostic point of view. All the counter-theories of where he was born merely muddy the water and risk playing into the administration’s strategy of tarring all “birthers” as loons.
I think that the average American hears “born in Kenya” theories and just rolls their eyes in light of the thin evidence and lack of common sense plausibility. This is NOT equivalent to my denying the POSSIBILITY. Quite a few things are POSSIBLE, including birth in Kenya or Vancouver, paternity by Frank Davis or Malcolm X etc., but that doesn’t make them PROBABLE.
As has been said repeatedly, the burden of proof is on Obama to show where he was born, not for others to prove he wasn’t born in Hawaii. The discrepancies alone warrant investigation. To the degree that we behave as if our pleas for such an investigation will fall on deaf ears until/unless we’ve convinced people Obama actually was born in Africa and we need to uncover the plot to keep this hidden, I think we reduce the odds that anyone will take us seriously.
I use “us” because I am not a shill for Obama. And I apologize if anyone thinks I am disrespecting them. I don’t have command of all the minutiae, but I see my “outsider” status as an advantage. I really don’t have any vested interest in which theory is correct. So I have the luxury of “following the evidence.” All I’ve tried to do is report honestly which evidence I find convincing and which evidence I don’t, and why. The evidence isn’t black and white, nor can the conclusions drawn from it possibly be. Each of us will have different standards about how to weigh various strands of evidence. For that reason, each of us may well arrive at different positions at where the “weight of the evidence” lies.
But if someone has arrived at a conclusion due to ignorance about an important body of evidence, due to a misinterpretation of a piece of evidence, or by relying on flawed logic, it isn’t disrespectful to point that out. If I’ve made any such mistakes, then I welcome their being brought to my attention since the point is to find the truth, not protect my ego etc.
“wouldn’t it have been cheaper for her to have lived with obie sr and gone to school near Harvard like UMass or dozens of other colleges?”
....... Actually, Ann did the cheapest possible thing, which is live with her parents until Obama was born. Perhaps that arrangement got old, led to tensions, whatever. What is beyond dispute is that Ann attended UW for awhile and then returned to HI to finish her degree. None of that proves she had the means to take an enormously expensive flight to Africa.......
No but she did live alone with little obie where she could have lived in Mass together with big obie, one apartment rent instead of two, two babysitters instead of one. Obie Sr had a scholarship elswhere with more money he could have taken SAD and baby with him but didnt he chose Harvard and alone. Maybe she took the trip to Kenya to try and convince him to go to the other college and stay together as a family?
......You provide no evidence of such means nor do you offer even a remotely plausible motive. What’s the point of going all the way to Africa for a birth only to return very shortly thereafter? Sr. hadn’t finished his schooling: the motive cannot have been to live in Africa for any extended period. So again, with facilities 5 times safer in Honolulu, what would motivate anyone to spend more than $10K in today’s dollars to give birth in Africa and then come right back home????.......She could have gone to meet the Fckers err Obamas to get to know his home country and she likely planned on coming back before giving birth but could have gotten stopped from travelling. One of her friends related that SAD planned on moving to Kenya with her husband after he finished school. She could have gotten there and changed her mind especially after possibly finding out he was already married. Very plausible. Ship travel at least part way is also possible, she could have even worked her way across s ship help. SAD whereabouts are unknown for months. She could have travelled over by ship and returned by plane.
...... “Charter and unscheduled airlines were substantially cheaper than scheduled flights, and flew regularly to Hawaii. Tourist specials.”
.....Flew regularly from AFRICA to Hawaii??? Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. You have provided none.... ROFLMAO no tourist specials from Kenya, from the US. We flew my relative to visit Hawaii on an unscheduled airline.
“The airlift charter was less than $300.”
...... A source would be most useful, since I’d be curious to know whether this was the one-way cost (which seems likely, since those on the airlift did not return to Africa for many years).....
Google it yourself pal, its on the net, or go to the two long threads this research has been hashed over in depth previosly. The first airlift went to NYC
.... If so, then the RT cost is not that much less than my back-of-the-envelope calculation of $800. And even if it represents a RT fare, that still translates into $2200 in today’s dollars. You still haven’t shown where Ann would have gotten the equivalent of even $4400 for the 2 of them to make a flight that makes no logical sense to take in the first place. The average car cost only $2850 that year. The average NEW HOUSE cost $12,500.
http://www.thepeoplehistory.com/1961.html
How many people do you know would spend one third the cost of a house to let their knocked-up daughter take a joyride to Africa to birth a son, thereby quintupling the child’s risk of dying in the process? IT MAKES NO LOGICAL SENSE....
No what makes no logical sense is mixing YOUR calculated cost of $4400 of today with a house cost of 12,500 50 years ago. Who says they went together? Did you know Obie Sr had sponsors in the US who gave him financial aid? Is it not logical other charters were made for students returning to Africa for the summer and others going to the US for fall sessions? Maybe they wanted the little bastard to abort on the long trip? Ever think of that?
Plausibility and common sense do not seem to run in the Dunham/Obama family, lies certainly do. They do all sorts of weird things. Why did SAD work as an Au Pair in Chicago at age 16 or 17 or did she? Why did the family move to Hawaii? Was SAD the type of free spirited person to go on a long trip alone and pregnant?
“It was better for Hilary to wait for the 2012 elections. And...I believe that Hill and Bill are behind Abercrombie, the LA Times and NYT articles, and especially Chris Matthews’ statement.”
Very elegant. I’m willing for that to be the default theory until a better one comes along. It certainly explains a lot.
1. Obama made a speech in Seattle at the Bellvue Community College for a Democratic Rally in Oct/2006, in his first year in office as U.S.Senator. This is the only visit I can find that might have provided an opportunity for "meddling" in Seattle.
2. Cynthia Stroum, an Obama fundraiser, rewarded with a choice ambassadorship, brought the U.S. embassy in Luxembourg to "a state of dysfunction" in only one year on the job. She suddenly left her post Jan/31 last week. So where is this incompetent returning home to? .......Seattle.
Oh, dear. In researching the cost of the airlift, I ran across this:
“But the money [Barack Obama Sr.] saved will only stretch out for two semesters or less because of the high cost of living in Hawaii, he found out,” wrote Hirozawa. “He’ll work, he says, and possibly apply for a scholarship.”
Read more: Oops! Obama tells another nativity fib? http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=125351#ixzz1DClateb9
This hardly fits the narrative of a family able/willing to shell out big bucks for Ann to travel to Africa to meet the folks, does it?
And if you’re saying he got the funds from his communist sponsors, wouldn’t a little obligation go with it? How does he explain that the thousands (today’s dollars) they squandered on his wife to fly to Africa ended up being wasted because he decided to abandon her entirely to pursue his studies at Harvard?
I assume you know what a sniff test is. Your theory doesn’t pass it.
Sorry, that should have read....”the earliest visit as Senator that I could find....”
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David Toot (1726-1792) and his son George Toot (1759-1815) of Middletown, PA, both served in the Revolutionary War. David was cited for patriotic service and George served as a private. George’s mother was Catherine _(?)_. He had three wives: 1) Mary _(?)_, 2) Catharine Stetler/Shulze and 3) Ann Eve Parthemore.
President Obama descends from George’s daughter, Anna Maria Toot, who married Ludwig/Lewis Wolfley in 1805 in York Co., PA; they settled in Ohio
Read more at Suite101: President Obama Descends from 14 Revolutionary War Soldiers http://www.suite101.com/content/president-obama-descends-from14-revolutionary-war-soldiers-a287470#ixzz1DD4qREo0
...This hardly fits the narrative of a family able/willing to shell out big bucks for Ann to travel to Africa to meet the folks, does it?...
There you go again mixing apples and oranges, Obama’s personal finances are not the only means of supporting himself. SAD’s finances apparently were at some point seperate. So she had enough money to leave Hawaii live alone in Washington state but not travel to Kenya? Is it not possible either set of parents funded her adventures? Her mom and dad both worked allowing for discretionary income that could easily have been given to their only child. Get real only daughter, first grandson, bi-racial, unwanted marriage etc...Who is the responsible ones in the family, Obie sr, SAD or the Dunhams? Maybe papa/mama Dunham was like the Fockers, ex CIA who funded the trip?..lol
As far as the sniff test I know what it is and you don’t pass it, maybe the term Lemming fits? Open up your mind and eyes before you fall off the cliff. This is possibilities not probabilities. This is a very disfunctional family. I once again suggest you read both long threads before you pass off your little bit of knowledge as the holy grail.
So why did the people in ya say obie was born there? What about Race Bannons conversation with obie? What about the Smith/Kenyan BC? Use a flow chart and keep collecting evidence before you start weighing evidence and probabilities, you sound like a statistician not an investigator. Is it a dead end because something is not probable but possible or is it a dead end when somthing is not possible? Follow all trails, not just the most travelled one. Think out of the box.
You’ve concisely explained why I struggle over whether to continue the efforts - especially with my husband basically thinking it’s a waste of time as well. I don’t trust that the courts will ever give us justice on this - unless we can get the US on more sound financial footing, which is at least closer to the realm of possibility now that the House is R-controlled (since they control the purse strings and can - if they choose to - defund whatever they want). But that takes political cover, and to give them that we have to expose and neuter the corrupt media. This issue is the perfect vehicle to expose the media’s corruption, because the requirement for documentation is common to everybody except Obama and people instinctively know it is not radical to expect documentation. And as I’ve begun to point out, the stories we were all fed on the birth announcements have glaring discrepancies which implicate somebody in the media - somebody at the Advertiser office, to be exact.
My interest in all this, from the very beginning until now and beyond, is the rule of law. The whole situation has exposed just how corrupt our infrastructure is: government bureaucracy, media, law enforcement, and courts. So my goal is to address the roots of America’s vulnerability - because even if we somehow manage to survive this latest communist coup, we will just have another one right behind it unless we fix the huge vulnerability that made this situation possible in the first place.
Regarding Abercrombie, I think it was their plan to come up triumphantly with a forged BC for Obama, and thus convince everybody that the states really didn’t need to have an eligibility bill at all. I had posted a thread asking for input a while back but then I had real life I had to deal with, along with the scorched-earth Congress, so I seemed to have dropped it, and none of the bills already known to be pending addressed the possibility of forgery. Those bills would have given the perfect opportunity to use a forgery and nobody would be the wiser.
The point at which Abercrombie started bumbling around was shortly after I had posted a thread here actually recommending a proposed state eligibility bill that would require transaction logs for submitted documents - logs that would allow an audit of where the records came from.
So all of a sudden at the beginning of January Obama and his cohorts were realizing that if they produced a forged long-form BC (or any BC) triumphantly now, by 2012 it would be revealed as having been created in December of 2010, and the players involved would face jail time.
At the time the reporter asked Abercrombie how the search for the BC was coming, it was totally up in the air as to whether any state would introduce such a bill, so Abercrombie probably didn’t have any marching orders as to whether they should prepare to go ahead with revealing the forgery or not. As the prospect of a state actually enacting something like that became more possible, notice that Abercrombie disappeared and the media tried very hard to bury that whole episode in a memory hole.
Now - if you read Ulstermann, and if Ulstermann is genuine at all (which I don’t know for sure) - Obama’s handlers are intending to fight to keep the states from even enacting such a law. I’m sure they will be targeting the governors, who are the most politically vulnerable. That’s another reason why it is so critical to neuter the supposed “credibility” of the media. As long as our elected officials fear the media they are weak links in the chain and will always be targeted. If the honest politicians know the media are toothless, they can do what needs to be done.
I agree with you that we need to stick with the facts as much as possible, and that is the way people find us and our questions credible and compelling. That’s why I’m a little hesitant to bring up the Soros run-on-the-bank theory. I know it sounds far out. But as we watch reality become surreal, I think people in their guts know that something is VERY, VERY amiss - beyond just the stupidity of somebody like Jimmy Carter. This is totally beyond Carter’s league. People see Obama’s actions (Betraying the UK so he could give away our ability to develop missile defense, training and sending into Egypt people who would overthrow Mubarak even while pretending it hit him by surprise, his spending that puts our economy on the brink of collapse, etc), his constant pushing, his evasion on the eligibility issue, etc.... and there is growing unease that the big conspiracy that everyone thought was so far-fetched might just be reality.
What genuine US POTUS would EVER betray all our allies in order to make sure that the US ratifies a treaty where we sign away our ability to develop missile defense - right at the point when Iran gets nukes, Al Qaeda has nukes, Korea is rebuilding their nukes and has been belligerent, and Iran is placing their missile delivery systems in VENEZUELA so they are within reach of the US? These are the actions of an ENEMY of the US and her allies - not the actions of somebody just mind-numbingly stupid or gullible.
People see that. I think there are lots of people who are realizing just what a deadly position we have allowed ourselves to be in. When people fully realize that, then the real battle will begin over the future existence of America. When people realize that inaction means they lose everything, and they have nothing to lose by sticking their necks out, courage blossoms and people do what they have to do.
And as they see Obama more interested in golf and basketball than actually governing, I think they know that he’s a puppet of his handlers, who are really controlling the dials for the whole world. That has got to be a scary thought for anybody who knows who Obama’s lifelong friends have been and what they have wanted to do to America. I believe the Weather Underground talked about exterminating 15 million Americans who they believed would ultimately resist “re-education”.
So I believe people are waking up.
For me, at this point, what I want is to ensure that this can never happen again - beginning in 2012. That focuses the Soros and Obama malevolence on one issue - an issue that every person in America can address with non-violent passion. That’s where we need to start, and insist that we get ANSWERS so the nation can get back to some semblance of the place we’ve known and loved. Dealing with this issue will necessarily mean that we deal with how it was able to happen in 2008 - which directly confronts the corrupt systems of government bureaucracy, media, law enforcement, and the courts. We have to start somewhere, and the state eligibility bills is a goal we can dig into that will ultimately provide the opportunity for the country to be forced to deal with the compromised systems that have made us so vulnerable.
Again, sorry to be so long. I am very passionate about this, and it’s always hard to know what seems overboard to “normal” people. And I agree with you that I (and others who are very invested in this issue) need the perspective of “normal” people. So thanks for all your contributions. =)
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