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Joint Chiefs chair to troops: If you don’t want to serve with gays, quit
Hot Air ^ | December 2, 2010 | Allahpundit

Posted on 12/02/2010 11:44:19 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

This isn’t really aimed at the troops, I think. Rather, he and Gates have simply reached the end of their respective ropes with McCain’s endless backpedaling on “don’t ask, don’t tell.” Maverick’s chief concern at today’s hearing was that servicemen will quit in droves if forced to serve alongside gays in combat. Mullen’s reply: Oh well.

“Should repeal occur, some soldiers and Marines may want separate shower facilities. Some may ask for different berthing. Some may even quit the service,” Mullen said. “We’ll deal with that.”…

“We treat each other with respect or we find another place to work. Period,” he said…

Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., one of the biggest critics of changing current policy, noted that the study of U.S. troops found that combat forces were much more concerned about serving alongside gay members than the military population as a whole and as many as 32 percent of Marines said they would leave the service earlier than planned rather than remain alongside gay troops…

Saying he expects less turbulence, “even in the combat arms world,” than some would predict, Mullen added, “In fact, it may be the combat arms community that proves the most effective at managing this change, disciplined as they are. It’s not only because our young ones are more tolerant. It’s because they’ve got far more important things to worry about.”

As you’re about to see, Gates’s annoyance with the implications of Maverick’s logic was palpable. Mullen may be onto something too in thinking that, notwithstanding the objections of combat troops, wartime conditions might end up making integration easier, not harder. See, for instance, this chronology of military desegregation at the Truman Library. Things start slowly with studies being conducted after World War II, then Truman gives the order to desegregate in 1948. Not until the Korean War, however, do desegregation efforts really rev up as black recruits are rushed in to help reinforce white units suffering casualties. Remember also that, according to the Pentagon’s study, only 15 percent of gay troops surveyed this year said they’d reveal their orientation to everyone in their unit, so even if some combat troops are willing to retire early to avoid gay colleagues, many of them won’t ever know for sure that they’re serving alongside gays. Finally, note that the survey was conducted with the respondents knowing full well that the results would shape policy. If you’re not real keen on having gays in your unit but not so unhappy about it that you’d quit, you might be tempted to say that you would simply to throw a little fear into the brass and influence the final decision. Guess we’ll find out the hard way who was exaggerating and who wasn’t, huh?

(VIDEO AT LINK)


TOPICS: Government; Military/Veterans; Politics; Society
KEYWORDS: dadt; homosexualagenda; homosexuals; military; obama
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Racial desegregation and homosexuals in the military are NOT the same thing, just as the civil rights vs. homosexual marriage argument is a canard.
1 posted on 12/02/2010 11:44:22 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Those of minority ancestry should be insulted.

Homosexuality is a *BEHAVIOR*, Ancestry is *NOT*!


2 posted on 12/02/2010 11:47:28 PM PST by Westbrook (Having children does not divide your love, it multiplies it.)
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To: Westbrook

Mullen lives in a beautiful mansion in a well-secured complex near the Lincoln Memorial where a gay would be shot trying to enter the grounds, let alone share the same bedroom.


3 posted on 12/02/2010 11:50:53 PM PST by oldbill
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To: oldbill

Just more reason we must crush the dems in 2012. Take no prisoners. THE ONLY REASON TO REACH ACROSS THE AISLE SHOULD BE TO GRAB A DEM BY THE NECK AND THROW THEM OUT IN 2012. PERIOD.


4 posted on 12/03/2010 12:03:35 AM PST by TomasUSMC ( FIGHT LIKE WW2, FINISH LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Any officer, particularly a flag officer, who describes leaving the service for the civilian world as finding another job is unfit for command at any level.
5 posted on 12/03/2010 12:10:21 AM PST by Bob
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Parents do not wish their children subject to homosexual advances. This will not be good for our military recruitment.
6 posted on 12/03/2010 12:16:23 AM PST by Armaggedon
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This attitude ignores that fact that most Christians consider homosexuality to be sinful. The military wants people with high morals, but then orders them to forget their morals if they want to remain in the service. Is the military opening the door to immediate honorable discharges if someone does not want to serve with practicing homosexuals? I suspect that the military believes that this will not hurt recruitment or retention.


7 posted on 12/03/2010 12:23:47 AM PST by Nosterrex
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Respectfully Sir “Pound Sand”. I do not intend to re-enlist.


8 posted on 12/03/2010 12:26:16 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Very stupid remark by an obviously very stupid man.


9 posted on 12/03/2010 12:33:12 AM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: Nosterrex
I suspect that the military believes that this will not hurt recruitment or retention.

I have to disagree. My suspicion is that, while they know that it will hurt both, they can't/won't admit it. I also suspect that they plan to cover it up when it does happen.

10 posted on 12/03/2010 12:50:57 AM PST by Bob
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Me to Joint Chiefs: If you want to serve with gays, quit.

Oh noes, that’d send them into a right snit... wouldn’t it?


11 posted on 12/03/2010 1:16:28 AM PST by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Pretty much the same that was said by Lt. Gen. Bostick a few months ago in Germany. Once it got out, he denied saying it............so much for honor.........

O and his fellow travelers in and out of the military are talking to the troops as if this is a given. They are moving in this direction. The way they are doing it is a violation of the UCMJ. They are already getting military leaders to conform to something that is currently illegal under the UCMJ.

The rules and laws of the U.S. Military are an enumerated power of the U.S. Congress. O is circumventing the U.S. Constitution, his responsibilities as Commander-In-Chief and the U.S. Congress...........

13 posted on 12/03/2010 1:41:08 AM PST by AwesomePossum (I have never looked this forward to a November II........)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

What ever happened to the uniform code of conduct?


14 posted on 12/03/2010 1:44:11 AM PST by Carbonsteel
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I wonder what kind of military we would have if most of the straight guys left/didn’t re-enlist and we were stuck with predominantly gay troops. How safe would you feel? I’ll be honest and say I don’t personally know any gay men (that I know of) and I’m just randomly thinking a lot of them are the limp wrist variety.


15 posted on 12/03/2010 1:46:58 AM PST by kelly4c
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the gays would be having a blast & throwing hissy fits because the General didn’t like their new uniform designs


16 posted on 12/03/2010 2:57:59 AM PST by MissDairyGoodnessVT ( =^..^=)
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To: Bob

AMEN! couldn’t his comment be construed as treasonous?


17 posted on 12/03/2010 2:59:44 AM PST by MissDairyGoodnessVT ( =^..^=)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I don’t think they are allowed to quit you jackhammers. It’s a crime. Desertion.


18 posted on 12/03/2010 3:15:11 AM PST by November 2010
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
That's just great!

Those who object the most (Combat Arms) are apt to be those who will not re-enlist and the "Support" personnel will grow or remain stable

What does that augur for our "Fighting Capabilities" in the near future?

Not good, IMHO!

Mullen is a moron and his Big Sis-like response ("Don't like the TSA Gate-Rape, don't fly") shows his ignorance as well as his complete PC/Multicultural acceptance and willingness to (at least, perhaps) destroy or weaken the Worlds best/mightiest Military--at a precarious time, when we need every advantage possible, not only to remain safe and free but to help protect the rest of the civilized world.

A Nam Vet!

19 posted on 12/03/2010 3:15:24 AM PST by Conservative Vermont Vet ((One of ONLY 37 Conservatives in the People's Republic of Vermont. Socialists and Progressives All))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The unfit President has his “YES” men in the Pentagon happy to be sodomized by one as charismatic and powerful as BO
Even as Mullen—and Gates have made manifest their utter CONTEMPT for our men and women in uniform—and have rushed to do the pleasure of this evil President-perfecting his tyranny.
Even as Marx and Lenin could not have done to the USSR what was done without the support of lesser men.so too BO has had his minions. Mullen and Gates and their kine will go to
their graves p —ing all over themselves because they believe they acted rightly but were misunderstood by those they HATE.


20 posted on 12/03/2010 3:27:29 AM PST by StonyBurk (ring)
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