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Could a pick-up artist be charged with 'rape by deception'?
msnbc ^ | 7/27/2010 | Ryan McCartney

Posted on 07/27/2010 6:17:50 PM PDT by Bad~Rodeo

In wake of Jerusalem conviction, U.S. legal experts weigh-in

NEW YORK — If you get a girl to sleep with you by claiming you run a billion dollar hedge fund and drive a Maserati, when you're really more of a used Ford Escort kind of guy, can you be prosecuted for rape?

Last week, an Arab Israeli man was sentenced to prison for telling a woman in Jerusalem he was a Jewish bachelor in order to get her to sleep with him. He was convicted on a charge of “rape by deception.”

Could a similar prosecution take place here in the Unites States? And if so, just what would constitute rape by deception?

Legal experts say those who lie in the course of courtship are unlikely to face jail time — most U.S. states don't have rape by fraud laws, and even in those that do, prosecutions are extremely rare.

But in recent years, there have been attempts to broaden rape laws in order to deal with this complicated and controversial issue.

In 2008, Mass. State House Rep. Peter Koutoujian helped craft rape by fraud legislation after the state's Supreme Judicial Court said it could not rule on two rape cases because of the state’s rigid definition of rape as involving both force and non-consent.

In one case, a man from Westfield, Mass., was accused of rape after he allegedly impersonated his brother in order to have sex with his brother’s girlfriend in the middle of the night. The sex was consensual, but the court ruled that “intercourse where consent is achieved by fraud does not constitute rape.”

In the other, a pharmacist named Nicholas Creanza allegedly posed as a gynecologist in order to give exams to two consenting women in Springfield, Mass. The court ruled that

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KEYWORDS: hustler; legislation; pickupartist; rape
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To: Dr. Sivana

Lol! You must be kidding! THAT was an entirely different world when men knew they would be seen as bums or worse for sleeping with a girl or getting her pregnant and leaving. Judging by the smart ass responses on this thread, I wonder where that mentality has gone.


41 posted on 07/27/2010 8:36:41 PM PDT by Amberdawn
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To: Bad~Rodeo

Gee I could be broke if this applied too my younger years... I used ever pick up line I could think of. And most the time they worked.:o]


42 posted on 07/27/2010 9:00:32 PM PDT by crazydad
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To: RandallFlagg

LOL Randall.. love the comment

thanks for keeping us all together now and then at least for reading some articles of interest


43 posted on 07/27/2010 9:53:53 PM PDT by DollyCali (Don't tell God how big your storm is...Tell the storm how big your God is!)
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To: outpostinmass2

3 times Wow, you told a lot of lies didn’t ya?!

/LOL


44 posted on 07/27/2010 10:51:28 PM PDT by Shimmer1 (If my body dies, then let it die, but let my country live.)
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To: Rodamala
Don’t all good Jewish girls know what an uncircumsized Arab penis looks like? Oye vey!

Muslim men are circumcised.

45 posted on 07/27/2010 11:00:57 PM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 549 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: Richard Kimball

Reminds me of an old joke.

90 year old man tries to rape a 16 year old girl.

The charge?

Assault with a Dead Weapon


46 posted on 07/28/2010 5:26:07 AM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s, you weren't really there.)
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To: Bad~Rodeo
Bouvier's Law Dictionary, 1856 Edition:
FORNICATION, crim. law. The unlawful carnal knowledge of an unmarried person with another, whether the latter be married or unmarried. When the party is married, the offence, as to him or her, is known by the name of adultery. (q. v.) Fornication is, however, included in every case of adultery, as a larceny is included in robbery. 2 Hale's P. C. 302.

Rape? Fraud? No, the crime is formication!

If the man had become engaged to the woman (or vice versa) by a fraudulent pretext, then fraud.

How silly our modern law is! That it tosses off old wise and simple laws for new 'improved' and complicated idiocies that provide no safe markers for the perplexed.

47 posted on 07/28/2010 5:36:26 AM PDT by bvw
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To: MrPiper
I married a girl I thought was a nymphomaniac,, as i am,,

A nymphomaniac is a women who likes sex as much as a man so, therefore, you can't be one.

... two years into our marriage... she’s cold as a dead fish......good thing we both enjoy fishing................

And that my friend is necrophilia. :-)

48 posted on 07/28/2010 5:37:03 AM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government)
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To: Bad~Rodeo
You can be charged with anything at any time. Getting a conviction is a different story.
49 posted on 07/28/2010 5:40:50 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Playing by the rules only works if both sides do it!)
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To: Shimmer1

Every time I said; “I love you”.


50 posted on 07/28/2010 6:59:37 AM PDT by outpostinmass2
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To: null and void

Oye Vey was code for /s


51 posted on 07/28/2010 7:22:00 AM PDT by Rodamala
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To: Rodamala

Ah. Missed it. Sorry.


52 posted on 07/28/2010 7:28:54 AM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 550 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: Shimmer1

I was just joking because you posted it three times. ;D


53 posted on 07/28/2010 9:41:30 AM PDT by Shimmer1 (If my body dies, then let it die, but let my country live.)
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