Could a pick-up artist be charged with 'rape by deception'?

msnbc ^ | 7/27/2010 | Ryan McCartney

[Bad~Rodeo]

In wake of Jerusalem conviction, U.S. legal experts weigh-in

NEW YORK — If you get a girl to sleep with you by claiming you run a billion dollar hedge fund and drive a Maserati, when you're really more of a used Ford Escort kind of guy, can you be prosecuted for rape?

Last week, an Arab Israeli man was sentenced to prison for telling a woman in Jerusalem he was a Jewish bachelor in order to get her to sleep with him. He was convicted on a charge of “rape by deception.”

Could a similar prosecution take place here in the Unites States? And if so, just what would constitute rape by deception?

Legal experts say those who lie in the course of courtship are unlikely to face jail time — most U.S. states don't have rape by fraud laws, and even in those that do, prosecutions are extremely rare.

But in recent years, there have been attempts to broaden rape laws in order to deal with this complicated and controversial issue.

In 2008, Mass. State House Rep. Peter Koutoujian helped craft rape by fraud legislation after the state's Supreme Judicial Court said it could not rule on two rape cases because of the state’s rigid definition of rape as involving both force and non-consent.

In one case, a man from Westfield, Mass., was accused of rape after he allegedly impersonated his brother in order to have sex with his brother’s girlfriend in the middle of the night. The sex was consensual, but the court ruled that “intercourse where consent is achieved by fraud does not constitute rape.”

In the other, a pharmacist named Nicholas Creanza allegedly posed as a gynecologist in order to give exams to two consenting women in Springfield, Mass. The court ruled that

[Bad~Rodeo]

You should change your tag to SPOON, you know how to stir the pot, L~

[MrPiper]

I hope you visit your doctor frequently. What a prince.

LOL.... what do guys want...SEX..... LOL.... did you not see the /s?

[MrPiper]

Suppose I marry a girl that pretends to have a strong sex drive (in order to snare me) and then cuts me off after the wedding? Is that any less fraud than misrepresenting my income or background to get into her pants?

You know my wife????

[rolling_stone]

Reminds me of the joke about the prostitute who found out the clients check bounced and she screamed rape rape I’ve been raped.

[TigersEye]

“What I’ve proposed as a more representative alternative is to have a crime called penetration without consent, and avoid the force issue,” Murphy said. It would then be up to the juries to determine what is and what is not consent on a case-by-case basis."

On that basis women could be prosecuted for rape too if you could get the right jury. Except that they cleverly inserted (pun intended) the word 'penetration' into the proposed law. Fraud is fraud. This would be un-equal representation under the law if women can't be prosecuted for tricking men into sleeping with them.

[optiguy]

"He was convicted on a charge of “rape by deception.”

Hell, forget the birth certificate thing. This is the ticket.

[DeaconBenjamin]

Have you heard about the prostitute who didn’t wear protection, got pregnant, and 18 years of child support from the john?

[Sunbunny]

Yep. Maybe if ladies were ladies and not sluts, this wouldn’t be an issue. Clearly, they are sleeping with men they really don’t know very well.

[MrPiper]

I married a girl I thought was a nymphomaniac,, as i am,, two years into our marriage... she’s cold as a dead fish......good thing we both enjoy fishing................

[Bad~Rodeo]

I met this lady sometime back and said that she was looking for someone to go home with because her husband was always accusing her of cheating on him. She claimed she never had but was going to change that. Her reasoning was that if she’s going to be accused of cheating she may as well

[anymouse]

[freedomfiter2]

If you get a girl to sleep with you by claiming you run a billion dollar hedge fund and drive a Maserati, when you’re really more of a used Ford Escort kind of guy, can you be prosecuted for rape?

Can she be prosecuted for prostitution?

[grey_whiskers]

Heard a great joke to introduce the homily at Mass this Sunday (the Priest having just returned from vacation):

A man is sitting in a pew at church when the door opens.

And in strides Satan in person!

Everyone screams and runs out the rear entrance.

Except for the one man.

The devil walks up to him, curious and surprised.

"Don't you know who I am?"

"Yep."

"Everyone else ran away. But you didn't."

"That's right."

"I am evil personified."

"No doubt."

"I have the power of death in my hands."

"Yep."

"And I can cast you into Hell right now."

"Big deal."

"Doesn't that scare you?"

"No."

(long pause) "...and why NOT?"

"I've been married to your sister for 40 years now..."

Cheers!

[MrPiper]

I've been married to your sister for 40 years now..."

LOL... thanks... I needed that.........!!!

[Richard Kimball]

They couldn't find a rape statute to charge him with. They best they could do (IIRC) was "unlawful impersonation", or something like that.

How about "Assault with a friendly weapon?"

[tlb]

I'm a marine biologist. Trust me.

[Rodamala]

Don’t all good Jewish girls know what an uncircumsized Arab penis looks like? Oye vey!

[Tanniker Smith]

It also happened in New Jersey. I read it in the NY Daily News.

[Amberdawn]

You can divorce on the grounds that you are not having sex anymore.

[Amberdawn]

Lol! You must be kidding! THAT was an entirely different world when men knew they would be seen as bums or worse for sleeping with a girl or getting her pregnant and leaving. Judging by the smart ass responses on this thread, I wonder where that mentality has gone.