Posted on 05/20/2010 11:35:49 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
On May 12, the American Patriot Foundation announced that there will be an Article 32 military hearing that may reveal whether President Barack Obama is a native-born citizen of the United States. The hearing is set for June 11, after Lt. Col. Terrence Lakin refused to deploy to Afghanistan “because the president refuses — even in the face of mounting evidence to the contrary — to prove his eligibility under the Constitution to hold office.”
The American Patriot foundation operates the Safeguard Our Constitution website, which generated a great deal of support for the movement for Obama to provide documentation proving his eligibility to serve as President. Those involved in the movement have been dubbed “birthers”, a term that has generally been met with contempt by the mainstream media and Obama supporters.
However, Lakin’s staunch insistence that Obama is responsible for proving his eligibility has gained some notoriety, even prompting CNN to provide media attention to the movement on Anderson Cooper’s program. On the show, both Lakin and his attorney, Paul Rolf Jensen, presented a series of facts to legitimatize their concerns.
The “certification of live birth” found on the Internet, which purports to prove that Obama was born in Hawaii, has been dismissed as valid proof, as it is a “short-form” document, as opposed to the “long-form” document that lists the hospital and attending physician. “Short-form” documents are easily obtainable. In addition to Obama’s missing birth certificate, other documentation that has been concealed includes kindergarten, elementary, and secondary school records; college records; Harvard Law Review articles; passport; medical records; Illinois State Bar Association records; baptism records; and adoption records.
The constitutional language in question is tricky, as it states that the president of the United States must be a “natural born citizen,” though the term has been undefined. Some argue the term means that the president must be born in the United States to two parents that were also born in the United States. If that proves to be the case, Obama would be disqualified, since he has openly admitted that his father never was a U. S. citizen. However, much of the legal challenge of Obama’s eligibility rests upon the presumption that Obama was not even born in Hawaii, as he claims.
As a result of Lakin’s oppositional failure to report to duty, charges have been filed against him. According to Safeguard Our Constitution, the charges against Lakin are serious and can result in “years of hard labor in a penitentiary,” but Lakin refuses to rescind his demands, as he asserts that serving in a military operation under an ineligible president is illegal. It is Lakin’s hope that the charges against him will lead to the discovery of information to prove or disprove Obama’s legitimacy, which is his ultimate objective.
In the past, however, this has not proven to be the case. Attorney John Hemenway was threatened with sanctions by a federal judge when he attempted to challenge Obama’s presidency. Hemenway welcomed the threat, however, as he believed it would lead to a “discovery hearing,” which would necessitate the search for documentation proving Obama’s eligibility. At that point, the court rescinded its sanction threats.
Any deployment orders filed under Obama that were met by questions of his eligibility have been rescinded. World Net Daily columnist Vox Day writes that this behavior suggests “that the Pentagon generals are not entirely confident that they can demonstrate the legitimacy of their purported commander-in-chief.”
According to World Net Daily, “Obama’s actual response to those who question his eligibility to be president under the Constitution’s requirement that the U.S. president to be a ‘natural born citizen’ has been to dispatch both private and tax-funded attorneys to prevent anyone from gaining access to his documentation.”
Lakin joins the ranks of Army doctor Capt. Connie Rhodes and Army reservist Maj. Stefan Cook, both who have also questioned Obama’s legitimacy, but Lakin remains the first-active duty officer to raise issue.
Additionally, recent ABC polls reveal that tens of millions of Americans question Obama’s eligibility, including many who are in favor of Obama.
In addition to the controversy over Obama’s birth certificate, World Net Daily’s Jerome Corsi reports that “two independent investigations by two different investigators in two different states (using two different data sources) discovered that the Social Security number used by Barack Obama mysteriously coincides with Social Security numbers verified to have been issued by the state of Connecticut between 1977 and 1979, a full two years after Obama’s first, publicly-documented record of employment at a Hawaii Baskin-Robbins back in 1975.” If this is true, not only is President Obama guilty of illegally accepting the presidency, but of identity theft as well.
Joseph Farah, founder of the World Net Daily, has launched a full-fledged campaign questioning Obama’s presidential legitimacy. A petition has been circulated, generating 500,000 signatures from those demanding proof of Obama’s eligibility, while yard signs, bumper stickers, and billboards are popping up asking “Where’s the birth certificate?”
Marvelous. Then, you shouldn't' have ANY problems at all telling me where the definition of natural-born may be found in either the US Constitution, the US Code or any legal holding of a US Supreme Court decision.
Several times a year = "all the time"? Really?
Let's see, like most people I get my teeth cleaned several times a year, but I don't believe I have ever heard someone say, "I get my teeth cleaned all the time".
Maybe you hang around different people, like the citizens of Zoltar, perhaps?
You won't have to wait long. GW's birth certificate is available for anyone to look at in the Texas State Library Archives Go to the link and then notice the last part of the paragraph under "Scope and Content of the Records":
"Biographical and family information consists of newspaper clippings, magazine articles, biographical sketches, correspondence, memos, lists, a transcript, a birth certificate,..."
Bush was born in Grace-New Haven Community Hospital in New Haven, CT. Today its known as Yale-New Haven Hospital. According to this article:
"No plaques or monuments mark the hospital as Bush's birthplace, though the communications office does have a 2-page information packet on the birth and the history of the hospital at the time, including a biographical paragraph on the doctor who attended the 43rd president's birth. "Margaret (Maggie) Tyler, M.D., delivered the president," the packet explains. "Dr. Tyler was a member of the New Haven Hospital and then the Grace–New Haven Hospital medical staff in the department of obstetrics and gynecology from about 1922-1949. She served a residency in obstetrics at New Haven Hospital from 1919-21 and joined the staff in 1922 as an associate obstetrician."
Okay now its your turn.
Please provide a link showing where Obama has released a PAPER hard copy of his birth certificate (not a computer generated image) to the Illinois State Library. Then provide a link demonstrating that Kapilolani Hospital in Hawaii has an information packet available to the public describing biographical information on Obama's mother's obstetrician.
I'll wait.
See below...
Soldier gets 6-month sentence for refusing to deploy to Iraq
This case is about an enlisted man refusing to deploy. Generally speaking, the military is harder on officers, especially when they disobey orders.
Lakin, if found guilt on all counts, faces close to 4-years confinement, total forfeiture and dismissal if maximum sentence is imposed. I doubt he'll get more than a year confinement, but substantial forfeiture and dismissal are probably unavoidable, at this point.
Using your reasoning, if the Constitution were written today it would be the size of the IRS code. Even the words such as “is” would be defined.
No matter how tightly written or finely tuned, laws and constitutions will NOT corral evil! Evil will leak through the most carefully woven definitions.
Ultimately,...Whether or not this American experiment in self rule succeeds or fails depends upon the moral and ethical good will of its citizens and their determined cooperation to make this experiment work.
On a personal level, my epiphany came with the 2000 Florida election recount. It was then that I determined that the Democratic Party was evil. This party was utterly and irredeemably corrupted with Marxists and their Useful Idiots. They were not citizens of moral and ethical good will with the determination to make our experiment in self-rule succeed.
After the 2000 Election I could never again have a liberal, leftist, or Democrat for a friend. They were either too evil or too stupid.
Nice try, sweetheart. Those are Texas records. I'll type more slowly, perhaps that will help. Please show me where George Bush's birth certificate is found, to whom it was shown and where in the FEDERAL record it may be found.
I'll wait.
Only in your strange world, would that be how "my reasoning" would be applied.
Strangley enough, though, you can find in the US Code and in relevant case law the definition of "tax". How about that?
You can also find definition of speech, arms, court and any number of terms used in the Constitution. But, nowhere do we find a definition of natural-born.
Excellent post. Obama and his supporters hide behind HIPAA to make excuses not to confirm whether he was born in a hospital.
So if Bozo is found guilty of fraud what becomes of everything he has signed into law.
Yes it is and I answered the original question... Can you tell me when, where and to whom GWB provided certified copies of his birth certificate...
Now you answer mine. When, where, and to whom has Obama provided certified copies (PAPER ONES) of his birth certificate?????
Doesn't matter if its Feds or an individual state. Just one will do nicely thanks.
Typing more slowly must make you incompetent to answer questions. You still refused to answer: "Where is the information packet describing biographical information on Obama's Mother's Obstetrician in Kapiolani Hospital???"
And stop calling me sweetheart. Obama sycophants are enemies of the U.S. Constitution and not in any way shape or form any sweetheart of mine!
I'm still waiting.
That’s the part that makes the bureaucrats so nervous, and this decision so heavily weighted.
Everything he has signed would be overturned. All his traveling circus of political appointees, czars, and even his VP Biden - gone.
Pelosi would be facing charges of her own for claiming to have certified authenticity of said birth certificate.
In short, there would need to be a new election and control of ensuing chaos [short-term hopefully]. It would be far better than the alternative, but will take some true intestinal fortitude w/ those in the decision-making process.
If you don't think it matters if it's federal or state, it speaks to your absolute inability to grasp even the most rudimentary principles of US law, HUN.
""Where is the information packet describing biographical information on Obama's Mother's Obstetrician in Kapiolani Hospital???""
Again, HUN, show me where in the Constitution, the US Code or any legal holding of a US Supreme Court case that says Barack Obama, or any US Presidential aspirant needs to provide to anyone a "information packet"?
I'll wait, sweety.
And, by the by princess, you can try to Alinsky me all you want, it won't work. I bet I served A WHOLE LOT longer in uniform than you ever did.
I believe in the rule of law, and NOT in the internet musing of people who are as out of touch as some of the people on this thread, so clearly are.
The elections are held at the state level. That's where the electors come from. Proof of birth is a also from a state, not a federal, document.
You’re confused. It is you who come to the defense of Obama and his administration that makes you the wacked-out Obot.
<>Then, you shouldn’t’ have ANY problems at all telling me where the definition of natural-born may be found in either the US Constitution, the US Code or any legal holding of a US Supreme Court decision.<>
Do you think you could narrow those qualifications of yours down a little more to exclude everything found in the links below?????
As you well know, the meaning of the phrase “natural born citizen” was understood by numerous Supreme Courts and reflected in their writings.
It’s meaning has never been disputed throughout American history as reflected by the twenty plus unsuccessful efforts to try to change its meaning statutorily from what it is to what liberals want it to be.
In legal jargon that you are familiar with, it’s meaning is “understood” and has been “understood” by legal authorities for over 200 years and even by the liberal loons like Leahy in the Senate.
It’s not a definition of an undefined phrase that the liberal loons are after. It’s a “redefinition” that they are after — a redefinition of a Constitutional phrase with a long-standing traditional historically-understood meaning with documentary evidence to back it up:
http://www.thepostemail.com/2009/10/18/4-supreme-court-cases-define-natural-born-citizen/
http://theobamafile.com/ObamaNaturalBorn.htm#LeahyResolution
You should look at the scorecard you fool. What’s the zot record for After-Birther’s who have gotten the big ZOT over the last 2 years?
After-Birthers approximately 100+ ZOTS
The “Birthers” ZERO zots
Conclusion: You’re the troll here.
Stop threatening me by freepmail. Thank you.
The original question YOU posed was Can you tell me when, where and to whom GWB provided certified copies of his birth certificate
I answered it PERIOD. You specified nothing about federal or state in that question.
So you answer it as well. Obviously typing more slowly not only makes you incompetent it makes you dimwitted.
And I'm still waiting.
Again, I'll ask - more slowly - show for me in the US Code, the US Constitution or in any legal holding (you know what "legal holding" means, right?) of a Supreme Court Case where I might find the definition of natural-born citizen. As best I can tell, "The Poste Mail" isn't any of those.
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