Posted on 05/18/2010 8:41:44 AM PDT by butterdezillion
The Hawaii Department of Health claims in official communications that the original birth index and index of foreign births (which are both required to be retained permanently) don't exist.
When vital records were converted to their current electronic format and the computer itself allowed sorting and locating, the HDOH submitted the old, original paper indices (VR-1)to the comptroller for a determination of what should happen to them. The comptroller agreed that those indices should be retained permanently, as originals and/or as security and search microfilms.
The HDOH at the same time made a separate request for the certificates themselves (VR-2)to be analyzed and it was decided that they, too, should be kept as originals and microfilm security and search copies authorized.
So there were 2 different requests for 2 different kinds of documents which were in physical form, able to be microfilmed.
The Hawaii State Archivist says that microfilm copies were not requested for the indices and the Vital Statistics Office should have the originals as required in the retention schedule.
I asked the HDOH for their documentation regarding the destruction of these documents. (Every department is required to keep detailed records of what documents they have destroyed, showing that they followed the retention schedule.) The deadline for them to respond is past and they have not provided those records.
The illegal destruction of permanent records SHOULD prompt an investigation in Hawaii. We will see what the Ombudsman does with this. (Don't hold your breath)
The documentation for all this is on a new post at my blog, which I will link to in the 2nd comment.
How do you know the records have actually been destroyed? Are you basing that conclusion on their failure to respond to your request? If so, how do you know that they’re not simply ignoring you as a “vexatious requestor?”
The HDOH doesn’t claim the certificates themselves don’t exist, just that the original index doesn’t exist.
I better look at my original post and see whether I said something I didn’t mean to say.
1) Think of these as the card catalog in a library. Sure, you could wander around the library and eventually find a specific book if you knew the title and which section it might be located in (which requires you to also know the Dewey Decimal System), but it’ll take time.
2) An index will also give you info on related names and dates and is a cross reference.
3) It is also another step in verification of an existing record.
4) It’s one more thing “they” would have to alter so it’s to they’re advantage if it were to be destroyed, misplaced, or sealed.
5) “They” don’t want it to exist because while the b/c books might be closed to the public, ... drum roll, please... the index books shouldn’t be.
It’s easy to make his kindergarten record disappear because it wasn’t connected to any other student’s record. The birth index is connected with every other births for that specific time period. Even if he sealed just the the page his was listed on, that would mean all those one that page would be sealed. Nope, sorry, he can’t seal other people’s records. It’s much easier to destroy ALL the books and claim ignorance when later questioned.
Maybe it’s just me, but this sounds suspiciously like the passport break in. “They” couldn’t have just his passport played with as that would raise red flags, so they went back and claimed ALL the front runners’ records were compromised. Yeah, right, and I have a bridge for sale.
However, my gut tells me that there is some very damaging thing on that B.C.???
If the posted COLB was authentic that would be true. But what was posted is forged. He can put anything he wants on a forged COLB.
At this point anything genuine would be enough to catch Obama on both points - the dual-citizenship part (because BHO must be listed as the father for him to have the BHO II name) and the birthplace (because the medical portion of the BC was amended, showing that Obama wasn’t in Hawaii to be seen by a Hawaii doctor within the first 30 days after birth).
Without a genuine legal document making claims about his birth there is nothing to argue. That’s precisely why Obama refuses to present a legal document.
OK, so now he can never PROVE his citizenship can he. Now a law that without (what they destroyed) he is not eligible to re-run. Bye Bye
The final version of the law only allowed them to ignore duplicate requests. This is the first time I requested documentation of the destruction of those records.
The birth index might not have been destroyed; the HDOH might simply be lying about it not existing.
But if they are lying, that should prompt an investigation also.
My point in all of this is that the HDOH has been screwing around so badly, breaking so many laws, that they absolutely should be investigated. If they can do this much illegal activity in broad daylight without anybody having to check it out, we’re sunk.
The fact that in all of Hawaii, only 2(?) lawmakers and possibly one lt governor were found who refused to either ignore or change the law to cover the HDOH’s illegal activities... suggests to me that we are definitely in a Sodom and Gomorrah type situation here. Out of all those people in the Hawaii government, only 2 (maybe 3) people sided with the law.
But we’re supposed to trust these people.... just because..... just because.
Notice that the article doesn’t say WHEN this all happened. I wonder why?
O Sr. being daddy is only hearsay without the b/c. The b/c is a legal document that the court will require for any suit against citizenship.
Hawaii doesn't enter the picture."
Agreed. Barry was born (by birthright) a subject to the crown of her majesty the Queen of England. He was born a citizen of two countries. There is no known definition for "Natural Born Citizen" in existence by 1787 that would have made him a NBC of the U.S.
He's a usurper.
Exactly. And we know from Leo’s blog that Okubo released the relevant computerized index data for all vital records on “Obama, Barack.”
It was throught that disclosure of index data that we discovered the marriage index data for Barack Obama, Sr. and Stanley Ann Dunham.
We also found that one, and only one, (computer) index record exists in the birth index for Barack Obama, a male, born August 4, 1961. If there were multiple database entries for Barack Obama, such as amendments, etc., then the index data would contain multiple entries. That’s the way electronic databases/indexes are architected. I know that because I am a database administrator.
So Hawaii is now saying that anyone on the planet can claim to have been born in Hawaii and it magically becomes a fact?
Yep, goes back to them being public records.
Thanks for the explanation.
Just one question (which you’ve probably already answered before; sorry). Hmm. And now I think I remember what you said. The list would be sorted by the first letter in the last name (so Obama would be listed under the O’s) but the names entered in chronological order. So there would be a chronological list of everybody born with a last name starting with O, and a chronological list of everybody born with a last name starting with each different letter of the alphabet.
Information that could be included would be the date of birth, parents’ names, and (possibly) certificate number. Do I remember that right? The index would help locate the actual certificate if it listed the certificate number? Or maybe there was a file location listed. My husband’s BC has a local file number listed on it as well as the certificate number. Maybe a local file number would be used as the “call number” to help locate the BC.
Just read the blog.
Amazing that they are so blatantly criminal, and amazing that you have the brains and patience to deal with this, and thank you for your documenting this criminal activity.
It’s there for history. And hopefully indictments.
If the original document/s say he was born in Mombasa, it doesn’t mean “nothing”; it is quite damning.
Imagine the time, money, and worry it has cost "them" and the taxpayers for the cover up (and passing vexatious requester laws) when it would have been so much easier to follow the Constitution and address citizens' questions in a timely manner.
Nope. I never suggested that you should trust the Hawaii DoH.
There’s still a birth certificate for him. The index is just one more thing they would have to doctor up in order to hide his shenanigans with the forged COLB though.
If what I believe is true, Obama’s birth certificate wasn’t completed until he amended it to add some missing required medical information in 2006. That means that Obama’s name was never entered on the manual, paper logs. If they let me see those original paper records I would see that his name was missing among the O’s.
That would prove in yet ANOTHER way that the Factcheck and Fight the Smears COLB’s are forged and prove in yet ANOTHER way that the birth announcement was not from the HDOH. It would single-handedly wipe out all the supposed “evidence” Obama has made public regarding his birth documentation.
It’s easier to just say the records don’t exist. It could be that they are still doctoring up those records and they will say this has all been a misunderstanding, or they will accidentally “locate” the requested record.
That’s the kind of people we’re dealing with here and unless we do something to stop them that’s how life will be in these United States.
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