Posted on 04/05/2010 2:40:28 PM PDT by Welshman007
In light of numbing revelations over the last several days concerning fraudulent statements on Barack Obama's resume, this piece of information curiously comes to light. The White House has instructed the 'mainstream media' not to report what they may discover.
The White House directive was issued as part of a deal struck between the Office of the President and reporters of the mainstream media.
In exchange for being given unprecedented access to Barack Obama, reporters would promise not to report 'certain matters' they may discover while covering the President.
From Steve Clemons at The Washington Note:
(Excerpt) Read more at examiner.com ...
Subsection (g) of USC 8, Sec is operative here, defining who is a Natural Born citizen.
- (g) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years...
“With the NUC thing tonight, will some Active Duty Flag Officer fall on his sword?”
I think that it’s about time that some COURAGEOUS GO/FO re-earned their stars.......
Hmmm - I disagree with you. If he was born in Kenya, his mother was not old enough to grant him US citizenship at all, what to speak of being natural born. From what I have read (and been reading these threads since summer 08), in order to be natural born he needs two citizen parents and born on US soil.
We disagree, and I am convinced that I am right.
Yes, but when he was born, the law required more years for the citizen parent. The law was changed after 1961, which is the version you are quoting. What matters is the law when he was born, which required more years, can’t remember exactly, but five after the age of 14, and his mother was not yet 19.
And that subsection is merely for granting US citizenship period, not Natural Born status.
Actually, no.
He is entitled to claim the benefits of a passed law.
There are only two kinds, Natural Born (At birth, by the status of that birth) and Naturalized, (later, by application and operation of law.)
I'm sorry, but those are the rumors, not the law. See 8, 1401 USC posted above.
“For a long time now there’s been too much secrecy in this city,” Mr. Obama said. “The old rules said that if there was a defensible argument for not disclosing some thing to the American people, then it should not be disclosed. That era is now over. Starting today, every agency and department should know that this administration stands on the side not of those who seek to withhold information, but those who seek to make it known.”
The “Presidential Memorandum on Transparency and Open Government” instructs three senior administration officials to produce an Open Government Directive within 120 days directing specific actions to implement principles of openness and transparency.
The “Presidential Memorandum on the Freedom of Information Act” instructs the attorney general to issue new guidelines to the government implementing those same principles of openness and transparency in the FOIA context, also within 120 days.
“I will also hold myself, as president, to a new standard of openness,” he said, by signing the Executive Order on Presidential Records.
Going forward, he said, “any time the American people want to know something that I or a former president wants to withhold, we will have to consult with the attorney general and the White House counsel, whose business it is to ensure compliance with the rule of law. Information will not be withheld just because I say so. It will be ... withheld because a separate authority believes my request is well grounded in the Constitution.”
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/01/president-oba-3.html
I’m not a lawyer, and have no college degree. I just read. Legal minds and actual attorneys on FR have concluded that the law at the time of 0bama’s birth is the one that counts.
From everything I’ve read, I conclude that they are right and you are wrong. Even if I read your pasted bit again, it won’t change my mind.
So be it. We will see.
But since the law at the time of his birth, if he was born in Kenya, would render him a non-US citizen, then he would have only become a citizen when the law changed (if that even applied after the fact, which I do not agree with anyway), so that would also render him a non-Natural Born citizen, since his citizenship would be dependent on a law, not on the circumstances at birth.
Secondly, all the Internet squabble over the lack of mention of “Natural Born” in later law is not an unusual procedure. Take for example, the reference to the term Militia in the Second Amendment. Courts have argued over that for decades. The courts would easily hold that the definitions of 8-1401 describe a NBC. They would accept the semantic modernization.
But we have a much stronger case than that!!! See below.
A word to the wise. Other than the statements that were probably about heritage rather than actual birth, there is no hard evidence he was born in Kenya. But we don't need that!
Let's say, for a moment, that he WAS a citizen at birth. My argument is that such past status is meaningless. He later abandoned that citizenship by accepting the passport, protection and obligations of a foreign power!
Loss of citizenship can be caused by a direct statement or inferred by act.
On this issue, we don't have to get into any discussion about where was he born. We don't have to deal with any conflicting statements, COLB, etc.
Our point here is simple. He admits traveling to foreign countries in the 1990s. There are numerous photpgraphs of him there. There are firm records that he did not have a US passport at the time. How did he travel internationally w/o a US passport? What country did he swear allegiance to then?
In his college scholarship, available only to foreign students, we have a written understanding of his citizenship status at that time. They will not release it, because it probably has, in his own handwriting, his acknowledgment of his understanding of his citizenship status at that time!
I'm not arguing with you regarding his current status. He is not a citizen of ANY kind. We are on the same side here. Even if he made some legal argument about “dual citizenship,” that is not a sustainable argument in the court of public opinion.
We don't NEED a lack NBC status. We have a better legal case, and a much better PR case, for a later abandonment of whatever citizenship he did or did not have!
All the best.
I agree with you pretty much, but admittedly I am not a legally trained person at all. I just read and try to catch up.
I am wondering about the student loan; I’ve not seen actual evidence about that but certainly conjecture. Also the fact that he traveled without a US passport is certainly damning.
One poster Sven Magnussen has stated that 0bama renounced his US citizenship in Indonesia, and has posted a bit about that. Sven doesn’t seem to haunt FR much but if you do a search on his name you can find those posts. He sounds as though he has investigated this and/or works for the State Dept.
(Courtesy ping to Sven.)
This is meaningless, however, as BO was 4 at the time.
Regarding a live renunciation, I think we would have heard much more about that than we have, and since he was back in Hawaii by his teenage years, there is again the question of an act before he was an adult.
But the passport issue, if played slowly and carefully, still works for us. It especially keeps an issue in the media that he does not want there.
It's sort of like how you catch a 200 pound fish on 10 pound test line.... You play him slowly and carefully.
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