Posted on 03/08/2010 6:26:35 AM PST by patlin
It became obvious records were created after the fact for Obama and were later changed. However, the computer access date is frozen on Sept. 9, 2008; two days after Obama appeared on Stephanopoulos’ show saying he registered with SS in 1979 when the requirement was nonexistent.
The mistakes made by adding to and changing the fraudulently created record after Coffman’s FOIA request was fulfilled but before the Allen’s was received, provides an audit trail of the fraud.
It would appear Flahavan, who processed both requests, should have caught the glaring incongruities. Instead, he got cocky in his letter to Allen by proclaiming, “Mr. Obama did indeed register with Selective Service …”
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Okay now the 1991 point is interesting..... I saw a video of a pastor a few weeks back that has a law suit against obama stating something about being recruited for the CIA for a program involving muslim youth to serve abroad. Knowing in 1991 Obama had no power to go in and change records, someone had to have and had a good reason to do it. I know the CIA can go in and modify official records as needed. Makes me go....hmmmmmmm??
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I know if I had attended grade school, high school or college with someone who became POTUS I would have some recollection of being in a class with him, seeing him on campus or maybe hearing from some other alumnus who did. Yet apparently no one does. Obama's biography is full of holes and clear efforts have been made to suppress his past records. It is at least very strange even if you do not believe in some conspiracy.
If you mean Manning, as much as I like him, I take what he says with a grain of salt.
Under Hawaii law [HRS 338-18(b)(9)] Obama’s birth records can be released without needing Obama’s permission to a person with a valid “court order from a court of competent jurisdiction.”
This means that a prosecuting attorney (a US Attorney, a state Attorney General or a District Attorney) could initiate an investigation of Obama for forgery or fraud in conjunction with his internet posted COLB and that prosecutor could seek a subpoena from a judge for Obama’s original birth documents to be examined under oath as a part of a Grand Jury investigation. It has always shocked me that no prosecutor in the nation seems willing to take this on.
Civil lawsuits against Obama have now failed to produce results on 63 separate occasions including seven times at the US Supreme Court. Its time to try the criminal court system and a Grand Jury investigation.
The perfect prosecutor to subpoena Obama’s birth records would be Mark J. Bennett, the Republican Attorney General of Hawaii who also happens to have independent subpoena power but Bennett is not interested, unfortunately.
Not a COLB issue, but a document fraud issue. Important ping!
For those who dispute the adoption by Lolo Soetoro, the fact that 2 children (”one of which is over the age of 18”) is mentioned specifically in the divorce papers of Ann and Lolo is proof enough. My mother and stepfather divorced even when I was a minor and I wasn’t mentioned at all. Much less being over the age of 18 to actually state “Plaintiff and Defendant have two children, one of which is over the age of 18.”
Stanley Ann Dunham might have regretted letting Lolo adopt Barack, Barack might not have emotionally accepted Lolo as his father or Indonesia as ‘his country’, but the real world doesn’t go on emotions. It is based on laws. Or it used to be anyway.
What charge should Bennett file against Obama??
Obama graduated from Harvard in 1991. Maybe he had declared a college deferment or something and it expired??
... or maybe Obama had his name changed or adoption reversed at this time?? Might be an interesting UIPA request to the HI DOH to see if he filed for an amendment to his birth records in June 1991.
No indictment is necessary in order to begin a criminal INVESTIGATION for forgery/fraud in conjunction with posting an alleged fake COLB on the internet on Obama’s “Fight the Smears” web site. The Grand Jury would investigate whether or not a crime was committed by examining both the internet posted COLB and the original, vault copy, long form Certificate of Live Birth.
Prosecuting attorneys go on these types of legal “fishing expeditions” quite often. If no forgery or fraud is uncovered, then the Grand Jury does not return an indictment and the issue is resolved for good. However if forgery or fraud IS uncovered, expect a bill of impeachment and a US Senate trial faster than you can say “Rod Blagojevich.”
I agree there’s a strong case here, however I’m not seeing a compelling reason to assume the Hawaiian AG would be willing to conduct either a criminal investigation or ‘fishing expedition.’
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I agree there’s a strong case here, however I’m not seeing a compelling reason to assume the Hawaiian AG would be willing to conduct either a criminal investigation or ‘fishing expedition.
If any prosecutor in the nation was going to undertake such an investigation, it should have happened BEFORE the November, 2008 election. At this late date, prosecutors aren’t willing to take on the President of the United States unless there was some new, explosive evidence of forgery or fraud, like an authentic birth certificate from another country. Then the Obama Justice Department would be forced to appoint a Ken Starr-like Special Counsel to investigate.
Short of that or some gung ho, hard core conservative prosecutor just willing to take it on under their own initiative, its probably not going to happen. But “hope springs eternal.”
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Let me further expand on that with the actual verbiage from the divorce docs:
(The parties have 1 child(ren) below age 18 and 1 child(ren) above 18 but still dependent on the parties (plural emph. mine) for education.)
You don't understand. This would be a black eye on him (pun somewhat intended) and the state of Hawaii for Obama to be found out as a fraud. We have no evidence he or anyone else has looked at Obama's records close enough to know whether the records match what Obama has posted. Most politicians, given a choice, don't like to stir up trouble, especially with people who have more political power than they do.
If any prosecutor in the nation was going to undertake such an investigation, it should have happened BEFORE the November, 2008 election.
It's taken this long to get enough information to start to confirm that Obama has committed fraud. Prior to the election, people just assumed he was legit. It's kind of a pointless argument since we can't go back and change anything.
Well we do have the public statements of three state of Hawaii appointed officials: Dr. Chiyome Fukino, the Director of the Hawaii Health Department; Dr. Alvin T. Onaka, the Hawaii state Registar and Janice Okubo, Director of Communications for the Department of Health have all gone on the record confirming that Obama’s birth records are legitimate.
For example, here’s a quote that Okubo gave to the “Washington Independent” last July:
Ironically, the ‘birther’ movement began in response to Obama’s own efforts to debunk rumors. One year ago this week, the presidential campaign of then-Sen. Barack Obama launched FightTheSmears.com, a web site designed to push back against false rumors about the first African-American presidential nominee. To push back against rumors that he was not born in Hawaii, the campaign reproduced a Certificate of Live Birth from the state’s Health Department. Instead of terminating the conspiracy theories, that inspired new theories — that the certificate had been forged or that even if it hadn’t been forged it was the sort of certificate that could be given to someone born outside of the United States. But the certificate is specific about Obama’s birth in Honolulu, down to the 7:24 p.m. time.
“It’s crazy,” said Janice Okubo, director of communications for the Hawaii Department of Health. “I don’t think anything is ever going to satisfy them.”
Okubo, who said that she gets weekly questions from Obama ‘Birthers’ that are “more like threats,” explained that the certificate of live birth reproduced by Obama’s campaign should have debunked the conspiracy theories. “If you were born in Bali, for example,” Okubo explained, “you could get a certificate from the state of Hawaii saying you were born in Bali. You could not get a certificate saying you were born in Honolulu. The state has to verify a fact like that for it to appear on the certificate. But it’s become very clear that it doesn’t matter what I say. The people who are questioning this bring up all these implausible scenarios. What if the physician lied? What if the state lied? It’s just become an urban legend at this point.”
No. They've said some things about Obama's records that are on file in Hawaii, but not once have they said that Obama's alleged COLB is legit.
For example, here’s a quote that Okubo gave to the “Washington Independent” last July:
Let's strip it down to what Okubo says instead of what the reporter paraphrases or concludes.
"It’s crazy. I don’t think anything is ever going to satisfy them."
This doesn't say the COLB is real. It's just whining.
"If you were born in Bali, for example, you could get a certificate from the state of Hawaii saying you were born in Bali. You could not get a certificate saying you were born in Honolulu. The state has to verify a fact like that for it to appear on the certificate. But it’s become very clear that it doesn’t matter what I say. The people who are questioning this bring up all these implausible scenarios. What if the physician lied? What if the state lied? It’s just become an urban legend at this point."
A little explanation about how certificates are supposed to work, but nothing that says Obama's COLB is genuine. In fact, she volunteers a weird question. "What if the state lied?" But she doesn't say the state didn't lie. Interesting. Perhaps a guilty conscience.
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