Posted on 01/14/2010 4:25:15 PM PST by curiosity
“Inspector” Lucas Smith claimed in comments on YouTube to have examined all newspaper birth announcements from August through December of 1961, not finding the birth announcement of the Nordyke twins (born at the same hospital as President Obama, one day later). Whether not finding was through oversight or fraud, the birth announcement is there in the newspaper on August 16 (Obama’s announcement was on August 13).
Birthers have attempted to discredit the Obama birth announcement claiming, against testimony of the newspaper and the Hawaii Department of Health that such announcements came from the department, that anyone could place such an “ad”. The very newspaper heading does not say “Birth Announcements” but rather “Health Bureau Statistics” if anyone needed further confirmation of what the announcements are. If a contemporary birth were omitted, then one would ask how, if the Health Department submitted the announcements, could one be omitted. It turns out that the objection is a fake, because the announcement is there just as it should be according to official policy. This announcement, just as the original Obama announcement, was found and published by an industrious blogger.
The Nordyke announcement is at the bottom of the column.
“For those who don’t know about it...”
Thank you for reminding everyone about that thread.
We have had from early on credible evidence the form CERTIFICATION (as distinguished from a b/c) placed on the internet by Obama forces is a fabrication. In that regard, see the early detailed examination and findings of FReeper Polarik as well as the opinions of other document examiners.
However, IMHO lack of authenticity while certainly important in other regards is a secondary issue here,. The controlling point is that State of Hawaii publications provide a CERTIFICATION is not conclusive evidence of an Hawaiian birth.
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Are those numbers---10638 and 10637---put on there by the Hospital or by the Hawaii government birth facts department?
Thanks.
Don't know, but if BHO and the Nordyke twins were born in the same hospital, you'd expect him to have a lower number regardless. If the hospital did it, then since he was born first, he'd have a lower number, although not so very many, since there would only be one hospital's worth of birhts. If the state did it, which I suspect is the case, then you'd still expect his to be lower, quite a bit lower, given that his was supposedly filed 3 days earlier, even if birth order isn't strictly obseved. There would have been a lot of babies born and certificates filed in those 3 days.
Don't know, but if BHO and the Nordyke twins were born in the same hospital, you'd expect him to have a lower number regardless. If the hospital did it, then since he was born first, he'd have a lower number, although not so very many, since there would only be one hospital's worth of birhts. If the state did it, which I suspect is the case, then you'd still expect his to be lower, quite a bit lower, given that his was supposedly filed 3 days earlier, even if birth order isn't strictly obseved. There would have been a lot of babies born and certificates filed in those 3 days.
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Let's see:
1. 10637: A twin birth certificate number
2. 10638: A twin birth certificate number
3. 10639: Unknown person's number
4. 10640: Unknown person's number
5. 10641: Obama's birth certificate number
My point is this: We need to find the persons whose birth certificate numbers are 10639 and 10640 above so that we can look at their Hawaii long form birth certificates to see the doctor and hospital names.
So someone out there: If you were born in Hawaii in August 1961 between August 4 and August 10 and have one of the numbers listed above, please post here and let us look at your Hawaii long form birth certificate from August 1961.
I wouldn’t be too concerned with the birth cert numbers.
I was the first-born of the year in my city/county a looooong time ago. The registration number on my BC is 8. My brother’s is 9. It appears that the numbers were assigned in the order received at the county health dept. Don’t know how many more New Year babies were born on my birthday, but the attending physician didn’t sign the form until Jan 3rd and the registrar recorded the birth on Jan 4th.
My first claim to fame.
I covered that angle. His form was filed 3 days *before* the twina' forms. Sure, the forms from various hospitals, or even from a single hospital, would not need to be in strict birth order once they reached the health department. But ones that came in a batch 3 days before another batch could fairly be assumed to have lower numbers. BHO's has a higher number.
I'd also oberve that like you and your brother, the Nordyke girls certificates do have consecutive numbers.
Such funding sources do exist. The only one I know of, off hand, is that Duke University has a special scholarship offered only to Australian students. There would be many other examples.
Both the twins' mother and their doctor were slow in signing the form, which delayed the filing of it until the 11th, whereas the Obama COLB says his form was filed on the 8th. We don't know if a doctor even signed his form. It was and is not required, just an attendant/witness must sign. Same is true of the parent, just an informant can sign. It would be more than a bit interesting to see who signed BHO Jrs' BC. But this would only be the case, that is lack of a doctor/nurse signature, for an out of hospital birth. In that case there would be no "local registrar" signature, since the form would have been filed directly with the state.
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