Posted on 12/04/2009 9:55:41 PM PST by Gordon Greene
Arguing with Idiots… Part Deaux (A full-frontal assault on the Temple of Darwin) (Link to PDF).
(I know I’ve done rants like this before, but you guys are worth it!)
Dear worshippers of Darwin and lovers of self,
My personal (condensed) declaration of faith:
I believe in the God of the Bible. I believe in the Bible. I believe what it says. I believe, unashamedly that God is the Creator of the Universe and that He created it just as described in the Genesis account. I believe the only way to receive salvation is to believe and receive Jesus Christ as your savior. I believe that if you do not accept Jesus as your savior then you will spend eternity in the lake of fire, created for Satan and his followers… separated forever from God.
My personal (condensed) declaration of allegiance to American values:
I believe that the founding Fathers had faith in and worshipped the God of the Bible. I believe the Founders trusted God and the laws of God to be a guide and to provide the framework for what would become the United States of America. I believe that the Founders incorporated those values into our founding documents including the Constitution and Declaration of Independence. I believe that very same Godly, Biblical foundation is what has sustained us as a nation for over 200 years. I believe the same is why this nation has been blessed beyond any other nation in history. I believe forsaking those principles is what is plunging this country headlong into socialism. I believe if we, as a people do not turn back to God and to His truth, this great nation has seen its best days.
Now, my message to the evolutionists and atheists on freerepublic…
You continually disgrace and shame yourselves and this site by purposely attempting to offend those who believe in God and Creation and frankly, I'm amazed it has gone on this long. The honest debate over differences of opinion are welcome on this site (correct me if I’m wrong) but even more-so the promotion of the God-centered foundation of our country and government. Yet you make it a playground for your near-pornographic display of anti-Christian rhetoric. Do I and others respond in an other-than kind way from time to time? Absolutely! That's what people do when you offer a constant barrage of insults and deliver responses dripping with hollow, moral superiority. Like many, I tried at first to reason with you. I found that there is no reasoning with the true-believers in the Temple of Darwin (with rare exception, I must note). So I barb… it’s my way of dealing with it.
From time to time one of you may pretend to seek an honest argument or answer only to turn it into a battle of context, performing hopeless and pointless contortions of the English language. Your mental gymnastics are generally childlike and wholly unnecessary. All you would have to do is to say you don’t have the mental capacity to understand the argument and that would be that… but that is not your goal.
You have this sick wish to see those who literally interpret the Bible and faithful Christians into converts of the radical wing of the Temple of Darwin or, at the very least to make an example of their comments (unsuccessfully, as a general rule). Then you can take their replies to your Darwin’s Temple websites and display them in the midst of those ungodly freak shows.
Earlier, I was questioned as to whether it was fair of me to say that you lead children into hell. My question is, “Is it fair of you to do so?” In my estimation, that’s exactly what you’re doing when you shove your unfounded faith in dry bones down the throats of schoolchildren. You claim we have nothing on which to base our faith in God and Creation, yet I suggest to you there is no evidence of evolution in the way that you teach and believe it… no proof of inter-species evolution taking place and no evidence that life was formed in a way that disputes the Biblical account. There is much more circumstantial evidence in the Creation account in Genesis than what you place your faith in, yet that is not my primary argument this evening.
Here’s the beef: most of you troll posts with a religious bent for the express purpose of inserting chaos into the equation. In that, you are no better than the community organizers at ACORN. You attempt to confuse, divide, destroy and deride those who believe your religion to be false. Yet, your religion is more than false; it rises to the level of cult. Its followers are brainwashed by manufactured statistics as if Al Gore himself were beating on the pulpit, loudly testifying to the dangers of non-belief. And you not only believe the lies, you are some of its chief priests!
Like the climate mongers and the climatologists at CRU, your actions do have consequences. However, the disastrous effects of your insidious message are far more devastating than the physical and monetary cost of the climate hoax. Your target is the soul of man. Since the dawning of the Age of Darwinism, millions of men, women and children have fallen victim, maybe even you. And for those who claim to be Christian and evolutionists, I offer this from one of my recent responses…
“If you draw evolution out to its ultimate end it either:
A. Denies the existence of God.
B. Denies His relevance.
C. Boils the Word of God down to a collection of allegory.
Unlike a lot of folks that share my beliefs in God and Creation, I don’t believe that faith in evolution automatically excludes you from Christianity. People are in different stages of their walk and some find the truth more slowly than others but that doesn’t mean they aren’t saved. But if you follow the (il)logic of evolution very far, it discounts faith in the God of the Bible.”
That is to say most would have to conclude from studying Evolution that God does not exist. Being a priest and a disseminator of the gospel of Evolution is no different than being in a sinking ship and destroying the only life preserver because you believe if you can’t have it, no one else should.
If you were honest with yourselves you would admit there is no honest scientific evidence proving evolution. Most of you have heard the truth of the Bible and chosen to reject it. I personally believe (again… my personal belief) that you and those who promote the baseless theory of evolution will be judged by God for leading others to discount God as well.
Matthew 18:6 (New International Version)
6But if anyone causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a large millstone hung around his neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea.
2 Timothy 3:16 (New International Version)
16All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,
Romans 1:22 (New International Version)
22Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools
Exodus 20:11 (New International Version)
11 For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.
John 1:3 (New International Version)
3Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.
2 Chronicles 7:14 (New International Version)
7If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land.
Which excuses exactly . . . what?
Post #75 - Great stuff. Hey GG. Good job stirring the hornets nest.
Again = I have not been trying to argue that the Bible proves the divinity of Jesus.
But you ignore it.
I have been saying that the Bible is true and accurate in its historical record - which spans thousands of years, thousands of individuals, hundreds of cities, dozens of “rulers” or leaders who are mentioned in historical context with great detail along with dates given with great detail.
Thus REASON says such an accurate work of this magnitude and impact demands a verdict of truth on ALL it asserts.
Does this “all” include the deity of Jesus Christ? OF course it does. But it is REASON that says such a judgement is warranted.
And, that is only ONE Reason - but it is a big one,
Don’t be afraid to really investigate
The Bible’s author is not afraid of challenges to the Bible’s accuracy - on ALL its subjects.
What dictionary did that come from?
Of course they do, there are billions of data points that support the Theory of Evolution.
I know that you don’t like the idea of evolution. You find it threatening (unneccesarily as there are millions of Christians who have no problem reconciling science and scripture). But you’ll just have to get used to it because science is only deepening and widening our understanding of the mechanisms that drive evolution. GGG’s idea that HMS Creation is providing a viable alternative is, as he himself would say, just a ‘fanciful...myth’.
“Why don’t you look it up in the dictionary I linked to. It references you right after tattletale.”
Still more admissions? I thought you were done.
You want to tell the mods that Natural Law and Buck W are one in the same or should I? You can play tattletale if you like. I don’t mind.
If any of the rest of you would like to follow these exchanges between Natural Law, Buck W and myself, you will see one of the reasons I posted this article in the first place. There are a lot of you who are decent people and I apologize if I offended those who show respect for the opinions of others. However, people like NL and Buck (same person) make it hard to have honest debate on the subject of Creation and Evolution on this site.
There are some of you who have no issues with the way that Buck has conducted himself. To you, you are no better and deserve the offense given.
God bless.
GG
Right.
And there have been dozens - likely hundreds - of claims by archaeologists of findings that dispute the Biblical historical record....only to be found from later FINDINGS to be totally wrong and the later findings to totally support the Biblical record!!
One instance is the claim that Moses could not possibly have written the first five books of the Old Testament because there was not archeological proof that writing existed in Moses’ day!
This “fact” has now been shown to be totally wrong, that writing did exist in that part of the world - hundreds of years before Moses lived.
Good stuff. That’s where he gets his scientific information too.
I haven’t asked for proof for the divinity of Christ. I have asked for evidence all along. I understand the difference.
What you’ve asserted so far is that the physically verifiable sections of the Bible have been so widely supported by archeological and historical evidence that is is reasonable to assume that the supernatural parts are also equally supportable.
I disagree. I have provided an example of how archeology does not support the bible, which you have ignored. That is one. There are many more.
Many mythological stories around the world can point to physical remains that show that there was a least a grain of truth in it’s original telling but none of them are evidence of the supernatural.
The thing I find threatening is the evos/atheists/liberals/ACLU abusing the judiciary to force their worldview on schoolchildren across this country and the trampling of the Constitution in the process.
The ToE does not threaten me personally, or my faith.
Those who wish to exclude God and find a God free explanation for the world and how it got here have done so. But misinterpreting the data and extrapolating from the rest, is a pretty poor foundation to build on.
Are you criticizing that? Because that's exactly what evolutionists do.
They see variation within species and assert that speciation is equally supportable.
On a general level: Good. That’s how science works. New evidence can lead to new hypotheses and explanations. Something that is probably alien to you.
On a very specific level, you’ll need to back that about the writing up. Science has known that writing has existed for thousands of years before Moses’ time for decades.
Also, those discoveries don’t always lead to archeological support for the Bible as you claim. Much modern research has shown that the cities and cultures described in the Bible as being active in Moses’s time are more accurately a picture of events duirng the 8th or 7th C BC leading to speculation that that was the period when those sections of the Bible were written.
Beyond all that, to date, all the investigations across all the years have produced no evidence for divivity or the supernatural
Go for it. You don't seem to have a problem with making a fool out of yourself.
Biologists assert that speciation is supportable because they have observed it happening.
Can you spot the difference yet?
“Show us anything positive that any God free form of government brought to the table and I’ll raise it with a Constitution of the United States and Declaration of Independence that Christianity brought.”
Again....you “creation science” types throw this tireless tantrum when anyone disagrees with you.......Non-theocracies do not equate to God-free - no more than theocracies are Godly.
Evolution is not un-Christian....just as it is that the wild-eyed “creation science” folks on this thread are not necessarily Christian in their actions.
I don’t recall any cases of science teachers using the courts to gain access to religion classes. Can you point in the direction of any?
“Now we can get into it with the atheistic regimes of the 20th century if you want to talk about less freedom and more death.”
Yes, if anyone disgrees with you - they are Godless commies.
“Go for it. You don’t seem to have a problem with making a fool out of yourself.”
Not worth the effort. Different IP’s in the same residence aren’t hard to accomplish. I’m satisfied to avoid responding to your childish posts in the future.
In the meantime, I’ll pray for you that God will deliver you from your duplicitous nature (I got that from the Suburban Dictionary... actually it was in the owners manual in the glove box).
God bless and good night.
GG
“Tell me were the most freedom of thought, research, and technological progress has been made.”
Let me guess......you think it was the “Institute for Creation Research”?
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