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Posted on 11/21/2009 3:57:14 AM PST by Scanian
Western policymakers and elites in government, academia, and the media suffer from an extraordinary ignorance about the true nature of Islam. This ignorance was on display following the murder of thirteen American troops at Fort Hood, Texas by Nidal Hasan, a devout Muslim who held the rank of Major in the U.S. Army. Hasan is said to have shouted "God is Great" in Arabic as he gunned down his unarmed fellow troops.
Gen. George Casey opined that if Hasan's actions caused "diversity" in the Army to suffer, it would be a greater tragedy than the murders of his troops. President Obama stated that "no faith" justifies such actions. And Bob Schieffer of CBS News wondered if Hasan was merely a "nut," just like many of the "nuts" within Christianity.
(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...
First lesson:
It's a culture
It's a religion
It's a form of government
It IS the government
It's the law.
They cut off the heads of unbelievers while taxing Jews and Christians into poverty.
There's not a whole lot more you can say about it really.
This is one of the best analyses of this problem that I have read to date. Until we are realistic about exactly what Islam is, and the fact that it is something for which our structures were not designed (and that our structures are BETTER than anything in Islam), we're not going to be able to fight it.
The mistaken belief that Islam is just another denomination of what one might describe as Christian-descended Western religiousity (that is, a concept that would even extend to deists such as Unitarians) is utterly mistaken and has led to our inability to deal with it or combat it effectively.
“But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular Prayers and practise regular Charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful” 9:5
“Fighting is prescribed for you, and you dislike it. But it is possible that you dislike a thing which is good for you, and that you love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knows, and you know not” 2:216
Yes....the religion of peace.
bttt
Islam is a STATE disguised as a religion for that is how it operates.
Islam is a violent political ideology with its own set of laws(Sharia laws) of which religion is one component and is used to impose islam on non muslim societies.
Islam, like communism or fascism, is a political ideology. Only more dangerous, because of the “religious” veneer.
Great post.
IMHO, the probability our pols will do anything about the growing virus of Islam is close to zero. There are too many votes at stake.
Even if Congress passed a law of some sort, the first federal court to hear the case would toss it aside.
Abraham Lincoln and Justice Robert H. Jackson were wrong. When it comes to Islam, our Constitution is indeed a suicide pact.
Simply stated, islam is fundamentally incapatible with a society based on freedom and innovation. In short, islam does not fit in with the American constitutional republic, and it should not be allowed to take root here. Look at it this way: Would a person allow a cancer to take root in his or her body and let it grow, and think that that cancer, exposed to healthy tissues and organs, would become benign because of that exposure?
islam is the greatest evil the world has ever known. It makes communism, nazism, fascism, and every other toxic ism seem mild in comparison.
This is a great article, probably as good a short summation of Islam and its history as anyone could put together. Our 'elites' and 'leaders' are either spectacular ignoramuses or willful PC suck-ups who are doing great harm to this nation by pretending Islam is something other than what it is.
And W set this in motion with his "Islam means peace" nonsense after 9/11. He had an golden opportunity to discuss the responsibilities of immigrants and citizens whose religions beliefs conflict with the US constitution and basic American values, but he chose an easy and dangerous PC path that the nation's 'leaders' are still on. W didn't invent PCness, but he sure gave it a tremendous boost.
The only criticism I could make of this great article. Hasan did not shout "God is Great". We know what he actually shouted. Why translate, or at least give the Arabic and the translation. I've never seen anyone who thought they should translate "Sieg Heil" or "Banzai" and leave off the original.
The difference is that the West was put through the fires of the Dark Ages and was able to modify those beliefs to the need for liberty in human affairs.
Islam simply hasn't had its cleansing by Dark Age yet ~ but it's coming.
“True Muslims” are developed from the cradle and no amount of rationalization can change that fact:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWx6I06lIJU&feature=email
Actually, they’re not the same. Islam rejects the idea of natural law, which was the basis for modern Western law until fairly recently, and while it had not been defined as a concept during Classical times, also underlies much of the original Roman law, although with the difference that it was the state that “recognized” this law but only for its own citizens. The concept of the natural law of being and rights of all mankind, simply by virtue of its humanity, developed slowly under the influence of Christianity.
Islamic law is virtually nothing but ritual law writ large. It is also a peculiar type of positive law because it really relies on the application of man-made laws that are purely for the convenience of the state (in this case, Islam as a political system) and do not recognize any fundamental qualities of human nature or life.
However, an important thing is that the sources of Western law are not only Roman or Germanic (the Visigothic tribes were important in its evolution), but Judeo-Christian, and hence such law has a certain foundation that is rejected right at the start by Islam.
Islam is a syncretist cult, and actually borrowed a good deal of Jewish ritual law and practice, but never accepted the fundamental concept of a good and loving God and creator. Islam has a stark, distant god that created things at random and for no particular reason and can capriciously change his mind and undo it all; the only salvation for the follower of this god is to adhere to the ritual practices and make sure others follow them, too. And essentially, this is Islamic law in a nutshell, particularly since Islam also rejects reason and thus cannot make any changes in anything.
In short, Islam is the direct opposite of the Judeo-Christian belief system, and this in fact was stressed by Mohammed himself in its founding (although in his case, simply because it made it easier for him to control the cities that he overran, after he had finished slaughtering their inhabitants in the street and plundering their riches). Since then, Islamic law has worked very well to control Islamic societies and keep them ignorant and violent.
I would like to add to that the fact that Rome was far worse than we imagine ~ barbaric even, and the Greeks were little different.
Plus, the Judeo- part of the joint tradition pretty much derives from Persia.
The result of all of this was compounded by the division of the Roman Empire into the East and the West Empires. The West went under the yoke of the Dark Ages starting about 535 AD right as Christianity was moving deep into Gaul and the British Isles. The East had a few bad moments, gave up creating art fur shur, and next thing you know Byzantine Armies were asking for pay, along came the Arabs, and the rest is history.
We don't even know all that much about the first 300 years of Islam but we do understand quite well the period about 1000 AD when they decided to freeze everything in place ~ and proceeded to find themselves conquered by the Turks who were quite happy to have the Arabs cut their own throats.
WWI finally liberated the Arabs from their imprisonment, but they have rejected the idea that they should think for themselves.
NOTE: Whatever relevance the Visigoths had to the development of Christian based secular rules it was pretty much washed away in the Arab invasions of the 700s in Spain, and earlier throughout most of Western Europe by the climate cataclysm that brought on the Dark Ages (535 AD). Civilizations that've left behind less than book's worth of information are more a subject for archaeology than for history.
Actually, the Visigothic legal code, incorporated into the existing Roman law in Spain, created a legal code that was emulated throughout Europe and can be identified by the inclusion of the word “Hispanensis” or “Hispana” in various laws of the time.
I don’t think anybody has any reason to believe that Mohammed didn’t exist, or at any rate, your post is the first time I’ve ever seen this. That he attempted to coopt Zoroastrian insights is indisputable, although the Persians and the non-Zoroastrian Baghdadis, while having advanced legal codes that served as the basis for many subsequent codifications, including that of the Romans, didn’t have the same concept of divine creation and divine/human cooperation that the Jews had.
Syncretism always takes what is most convenient to the syncretizer-in-chief (look at Mormonism) and for Mohammed, certain Jewish laws were useful, along with certain pagan practices (look at the Kaabah with its vagina-shaped hole, taken from a shrine to a fertility goddess), and vast amounts of simply nasty, aggressive, boasting rhetoric that was typical of warrior clans and is still the hallmark of Islam.
His syncretist cult also picked up the heretical, non-Trinitarian versions of Christianity circulating in the ME at that time, which was why he was able to include Jesus as a “prophet.”
And it’s all completely anti-rational and power based. What better for a caravan-raider who found the secret to the big time?
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