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Anyone Noticing The Bogus Polls That Are Intentionally Oversampling Blacks?
10/6/2008 | Laissez-Faire Capitalist

Posted on 10/06/2008 4:53:15 PM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist

Has anyone been paying attention to the bogus polls that are intentionally adding in blacks to the tally of surveved voters to apparently increase Obama's percentage in said polls?

1.) Here's one such poll:

From The ABC News/Washington Post poll:

"This ABC News/Washington Post poll was conducted by telephone Sept. 27-29, 2008, among a randon sample of 1,271 adults, including an oversample of African Americans weighted to their correct share of the national population, for a total of 165 black respondents."

There is no need to increase the number of blacks into this poll or any poll, because over time - four, five or six polls in a row - the average of those polls will come very close to the correct share of blacks, whites, hispanics and so on of the national population.

2.) On top of that, the polls are oversampling Democrats, and undersampling Republicans.

3.) And on top of that, none of the polls are taking into account the Bradley (Wilder) Effect. This effect didn't show up in the recent Democratic primaries between Hillary and Obama, because these primaries weren't general election matchups. These primaries didn't have lots of independents voting in them, nor did they have lots of Republicans voting in them.

In 1982, when Tom Bradley ran against his Republican opponent in the general election matchup, the polls showed him clearly beating George Deukmejian, but on election day, Bradley lost.

In 1989, the polls showed Democrat L. Douglas Wilder beating Republican Marshall Coleman, but on election day, Wilder lost.

Bradley (Wilder Effect) in a nut-shell:

What ultimately happens as a result of when people are polled and some don't want anyone to think they are racist, so they say that they will vote for the black guy, when they have no intention of actually voting for the black guy.


TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Miscellaneous; Politics; Society
KEYWORDS: 2008polls; abc; barackobama; bradleyeffect; democrat; democrats; electionpresident; mccain; mccainpalin; nobama08; obama; obamatruthfile; swingstates; wapo; wildereffect
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1 posted on 10/06/2008 4:53:16 PM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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What say you?


2 posted on 10/06/2008 4:53:55 PM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist (Keep working! Welfare cases and their liberal enablers are counting on you!)
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Such bogus polls are also playing into swing states percentages.


3 posted on 10/06/2008 4:55:57 PM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist (Keep working! Welfare cases and their liberal enablers are counting on you!)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Of course, the pollsters created a new category for the post racial post partisan candidate.

A extra sampling of black people in addition to the already over weighted poll of dems.


4 posted on 10/06/2008 4:56:48 PM PDT by Carley (she's all out of caribou.............but does have a bracelet!!!!)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Polls are political tools - just another form of deceit designed to herd political livestock. Moo-oo-oo-o-o!


5 posted on 10/06/2008 4:59:03 PM PDT by Lexington Green (Don't Be A Racist - Vote For Obama Because He's Black)
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To: Carley

This election is far, far closer right now than the lib pollsters want us to think. We must remember that there is rampant oversampling of blacks, oversampling of Dems and undersampling of Repubs going on.

And this doesn’t take into the Bradley Effect, either.


6 posted on 10/06/2008 5:00:40 PM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist (Keep working! Welfare cases and their liberal enablers are counting on you!)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

They are trying to setup the “America is Racist thats why we riot” excuse. They know NOBAMA is toast.


7 posted on 10/06/2008 5:01:00 PM PDT by VastRWCon (OBAMA: Call me if you need me. AMERICA: We dont need you.)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

For TWO WEEKS, KOS (The Lib Media Chatroom for CBSNBCABCCNNMSNBCAPUPIREUTERS) had been screaming, and calling/harrassing pollsters to increase the Bias toward Obama by adding to the number of Blacks, Youth, And Democrats polled, based on “New Registrations”.

I think between Operation Chaos, and ACORN FRAUD, they are setting themselves up for another “Stolen Election!!”


8 posted on 10/06/2008 5:01:17 PM PDT by tcrlaf (SARAH PALIN-The American Everywoman (Yes, You Really CAN!))
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

The sudden new category of blacks is to try to make up for the Bradley effect.

Only time will tell. Needless to say, we’re all racists in the eyes of the msm.


9 posted on 10/06/2008 5:04:31 PM PDT by Carley (she's all out of caribou.............but does have a bracelet!!!!)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
That's why I don't freak out every time Obambi get a lead. The MSM is against us. Realize that people. The only poll that matters is Nov 4th poll.
10 posted on 10/06/2008 5:06:16 PM PDT by McGruff (Read my lips, NO NEW BAILOUTS!)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Polls showing Obama winning actually work in our favor, causing a lack of complacency and more of an urgency to get out and vote against the ONE.


11 posted on 10/06/2008 5:07:26 PM PDT by Bullish ( Reality is the best cure for delusion.)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Yep, you’re right. Have gotten kind of used to it. I apply my own Kentucky windage to those polls that allows for oversampling of dems. From my point of view it doesn’t matter if you’re a white dem or black dem, you’re still a dem. So oversampling blacks should not materially change the algorithym.

McCain is gaining ground again—Onada never really got beyond the margin of error in manufactured polling results of the last two weeks—IMO. I think Onada is losing.

McCain apparently turned in a feisty performance on FOX today and Palin was taking it to Onada too. I hope this is setting up the McCain/Onada debate tone.


12 posted on 10/06/2008 5:07:57 PM PDT by dools007
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
That you do not understand why certain cells are over sampled.
13 posted on 10/06/2008 5:09:33 PM PDT by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at 100 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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I don’t believe any of the polls this last week especially. Look, the left is saying it’s over for McCain, the polls show the numbers way in favor of 0bama. I just don’t believe it. Of course I don’t want to believe it but I have an idea they are tweaking this as part of their love affair for “the One”.


14 posted on 10/06/2008 5:17:55 PM PDT by snippy_about_it (The FReeper Foxhole. America's history, America's soul.)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

They should undersample for blacks, considering many don’t vote, and many cannot vote.


15 posted on 10/06/2008 5:24:16 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

I don;t think the polls in RealClear Politics are doing this.

The poll numbers are not comforting.


16 posted on 10/06/2008 5:30:00 PM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Race riot. There is no way that a substantial percentage of the black community will ever see an Obama loss as anything other than a stolen election. The pollsters are irresponsible.


17 posted on 10/06/2008 5:32:09 PM PDT by Sunnyflorida (Unless you are nice and thoughtful you will be ignored. Write in Thomas Sowell.)
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To: ZULU; All

Some of the polls that are being factored in at RealClearPolitics are polls that have oversampling for blacks.

The Sept. 27-29 poll that I gave above was factored in.


18 posted on 10/06/2008 5:33:17 PM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist (Keep working! Welfare cases and their liberal enablers are counting on you!)
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“...I think between Operation Chaos, and ACORN FRAUD, they are setting themselves up for another “Stolen Election!!”...”

BINGO! and that is part of their plan. There will be riots. Mark my word.


19 posted on 10/06/2008 5:38:34 PM PDT by Islander7 (The only thing Obama has to fear is the truth!)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

I hope you’re right.

I hope they are all wrong.

I hope Herr Hussein Obama, the Darth Vader Man has egg all over his face the day after the election.


20 posted on 10/06/2008 5:39:46 PM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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