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Obama: Russia, U.S. should not 'charge into' other countries
Reuters blog via Little Green Footballs ^ | 8/21/08 | Jeff Mason

Posted on 08/21/2008 10:47:10 AM PDT by zimfam007

"Democrat Barack Obama scolded Russia....for invading another country’s sovereign territory while adding....the United States, should set a better example on that front, too...."

(Excerpt) Read more at blogs.reuters.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Politics/Elections; Russia; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: cicobama; elections; foreignpolicy; georgia; nobama08; notreadyforprimetime; obama; obamatruthfile; russia
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To: techcor
"They did find some mass graves but they were old ones."

That's what I thought too and I believe that's right. But I thought you said something about this coming out in a trial?

121 posted on 08/22/2008 6:35:44 AM PDT by avacado
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To: avacado
Slobadan Milosovich's trial. The one that went on until somebody assassinated him. I'll go look it up and try to post a link later. That's one of the reason's it went on for four years. Every time the prosecution tried to link him to a mass grave the time line didn't match up.
122 posted on 08/22/2008 6:47:02 AM PDT by techcor
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To: zimfam007

Apparently “Stupid” is the new “Smart”


123 posted on 08/22/2008 6:56:22 AM PDT by Psycho_Bunny (Islam: Imagine a clown car.........with guns.)
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To: techcor
"Slobadan Milosovich's trial"

Okay now I understand. I thought for a minute that you were talking about Slick Willy's impeachment trial.

124 posted on 08/22/2008 7:00:21 AM PDT by avacado
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To: Sacajaweau

Fielding such an idiot as John McCain as the nominee, when the GOP could have done 10x better, is going to be a disaster, and that traitor and nitwit Obama is going to be President.


125 posted on 08/22/2008 8:13:19 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo ("Conservatives" Pimping 4McCain Are Irresponsible If They've No Plan To Counter Him If/When He RINOs)
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To: Popman

No, he really means “send a clear message”

He is going to write up a very well worded, strong sounding message.

Since he said he won’t do anything else, it’s safe to assume he feels that will get the job done.

I can just picture him finishing the message and saying to himself “That’ll show ‘em!”


126 posted on 08/22/2008 9:05:50 AM PDT by Personal Responsibility (I make liberals sick to their stomach)
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To: zimfam007
This man is such an idiot. Any jab at the U.S. he can make, he goes for it.


127 posted on 08/22/2008 9:09:03 AM PDT by deep (http://www.americansagainstobama.com)
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To: DBrow
They have been reminded that the history of immigration in this country has a dark underbelly>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Dark undebelly = Assimilate and become an American patriot

How many times can we say the word:" Deport."

128 posted on 08/22/2008 10:26:23 AM PDT by Candor7 (Fascism? All it takes is for good men to say nothing, (Ridicule Obama))
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To: jurroppi1

Yes it is. Thanks for the help. I would not have made that mistake when I composed letters and memos in the world before spell check.


129 posted on 08/22/2008 11:01:22 AM PDT by Retain Mike
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To: zimfam007

how can someone be so stupid to compare iraq with georgia!?
the death toll in iraq is like 2000 times higher.


130 posted on 08/22/2008 11:24:50 AM PDT by AntiDude
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To: SpinnerWebb

Between 1790 and 1830 the population of Georgia increased six-fold. The western push of the settlers created a problem. Georgians continued to take Native American lands and force them into the frontier. By 1825 the Lower Creek had been completely removed from the state under provisions of the Treaty of Indian Springs. By 1827 the Creek were gone.

Cherokee had long called western Georgia home. The Cherokee Nation continued in their enchanted land until 1828. It was then that the rumored gold, for which De Soto had relentlessly searched, was discovered in the North Georgia mountains.

Hollywood has left the impression that the great Indian wars came in the Old West during the late 1800’s, a period that many think of simplistically as the “cowboy and Indian” days. But in fact that was a “mopping up” effort. By that time the Indians were nearly finished, their subjugation complete, their numbers decimated. The killing, enslavement, and land theft had begun with the arrival of the Europeans. But it may have reached its nadir when it became federal policy under President (Andrew) Jackson.
The Cherokees in 1828 were not nomadic savages. In fact, they had assimilated many European-style customs, including the wearing of gowns by Cherokee women. They built roads, schools and churches, had a system of representational government, and were farmers and cattle ranchers. A Cherokee alphabet, the “Talking Leaves” was perfected by Sequoyah.

“I would sooner be honestly damned than hypocritically immortalized”
Davy Crockett

His political career destroyed because he supported the Cherokee, he left Washington D. C. and headed west to Texas.

In 1830 the Congress of the United States passed the “Indian Removal Act.” Although many Americans were against the act, most notably Tennessee Congressman Davy Crockett, it passed anyway. President Jackson quickly signed the bill into law. The Cherokees attempted to fight removal legally by challenging the removal laws in the Supreme Court and by establishing an independent Cherokee Nation. At first the court seemed to rule against the Indians. In Cherokee Nation v. Georgia, the Court refused to hear a case extending Georgia’s laws on the Cherokee because they did not represent a sovereign nation. In 1832, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled in favor of the Cherokee on the same issue in Worcester v. Georgia. In this case Chief Justice John Marshall ruled that the Cherokee Nation was sovereign, making the removal laws invalid. The Cherokee would have to agree to removal in a treaty. The treaty then would have to be ratified by the Senate.

By 1835 the Cherokee were divided and despondent. Most supported Principal Chief John Ross, who fought the encroachment of whites starting with the 1832 land lottery. However, a minority(less than 500 out of 17,000 Cherokee in North Georgia) followed Major Ridge, his son John, and Elias Boudinot, who advocated removal. The Treaty of New Echota, signed by Ridge and members of the Treaty Party in 1835, gave Jackson the legal document he needed to remove the First Americans. Ratification of the treaty by the United States Senate sealed the fate of the Cherokee. Among the few who spoke out against the ratification were Daniel Webster and Henry Clay, but it passed by a single vote. In 1838 the United States began the removal to Oklahoma, fulfilling a promise the government made to Georgia in 1802. Ordered to move on the Cherokee, General John Wool resigned his command in protest, delaying the action. His replacement, General Winfield Scott, arrived at New Echota on May 17, 1838 with 7000 men. Early that summer General Scott and the United States Army began the invasion of the Cherokee Nation.

In one of the saddest episodes of our brief history, men, women, and children were taken from their land, herded into makeshift forts with minimal facilities and food, then forced to march a thousand miles(Some made part of the trip by boat in equally horrible conditions). Under the generally indifferent army commanders, human losses for the first groups of Cherokee removed were extremely high. John Ross made an urgent appeal to Scott, requesting that the general let his people lead the tribe west. General Scott agreed. Ross organized the Cherokee into smaller groups and let them move separately through the wilderness so they could forage for food. Although the parties under Ross left in early fall and arrived in Oklahoma during the brutal winter of 1838-39, he significantly reduced the loss of life among his people. About 4000 Cherokee died as a result of the removal. The route they traversed and the journey itself became known as “The Trail of Tears” or, as a direct translation from Cherokee, “The Trail Where They Cried” (”Nunna daul Tsuny”).

Ironically, just as the Creeks killed Chief McIntosh for signing the Treaty of Indian Springs, the Cherokee killed Major Ridge, his son and Elias Boudinot for signing the Treaty of New Echota. Chief John Ross, who valiantly resisted the forced removal of the Cherokee, lost his wife Quatie in the march. And so a country formed fifty years earlier on the premise “...that all men are created equal, and that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, among these the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness..” brutally closed the curtain on a culture that had done no wrong.


131 posted on 08/22/2008 12:35:40 PM PDT by mikhailovich
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To: AmericanInTokyo
"Fielding such an idiot as John McCain as the nominee, when the GOP could have done 10x better, is going to be a disaster, and that traitor and nitwit Obama is going to be President."

Highly doubtful...

132 posted on 08/22/2008 1:18:51 PM PDT by EnigmaticAnomaly ("All it takes for Obama to succeed is for good Conservatives to vote 3rd party or not vote at all..")
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To: zimfam007

Saddam had 12 years and 18 resolutions to stop acting up Obamalamadingdong!


133 posted on 08/22/2008 1:39:20 PM PDT by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing-----Edmund Burke)
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To: Retain Mike

very eloquent.

The shame is if a hypocrat read your post it would look like this to them:

shfyetwvfdjvkbnhpojoruwhyqla,bmnxbze65832....

because it’s fixed in their heads that America is the problem.


134 posted on 08/22/2008 1:44:42 PM PDT by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing-----Edmund Burke)
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To: zimfam007

Obama is a nut job. Hate America First... I am sure he has some strong stern words for Al-Qaida too...


135 posted on 08/22/2008 4:47:29 PM PDT by tomnbeverly (Prepare to do your time as corvee labor on the Plantation of Barrack and Michelle Obama.)
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To: july4thfreedomfoundation

Obama does... as well as most liberals who assign the Bully status to the U.S.....


136 posted on 08/22/2008 7:17:50 PM PDT by tomnbeverly (Prepare to do your time as corvee labor on the Plantation of Barrack and Michelle Obama.)
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To: zimfam007

OMG! God help us if this idiot ever becomes president.


137 posted on 08/23/2008 8:23:55 AM PDT by red state girl (never give in, never give in, never, never, never, never)
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To: zimfam007

Rush had this. He was also extolling how wonderful China was for building that stadium, and questioning why we couldn’t be more like them.


138 posted on 08/23/2008 9:43:36 AM PDT by dervish (Russian kleptocracy is attacking Georgia)
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To: zimfam007

Didn’t Obama say that he would invade Pakistan to get Brother Osama?


139 posted on 08/23/2008 9:50:20 AM PDT by popdonnelly (Boycott Washington D.C. until they allow gun ownership)
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To: zimfam007
Warmongers for Change...

Obama on Darfur Biden on Darfur

140 posted on 08/23/2008 11:39:38 AM PDT by endthematrix (Congress, Get Off Your Gas, And Drill!)
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