It is embarrassing to watch FR do this.
It doesn't matter where Obama was born. If his mother was a US citizen, then he is.
Even if he was born in Cuba or North Korea.
Carry on with the insanity. I sure can't stop it.
But it's stupid, it makes FR look stupid, and if that's fine with everyone, keep it up.
No, it is stupid to post a forgery and claim its real. THAT IS WHAT IS STUPID
I understand why you think that way. But consider this point for a moment.
IT DOESN’T MATTER WHY the bc is a forgery- the point remains- it is.
What MATTERS is that on his OWN website, he has presented this as a legitimate, legal document. That has a name. It’s called FRAUD. It’s a crime.
Where he was born, if his parents were or were not married, if instead of African his father was really listed as Arab- ALL the speculation about WHY- is- for the momemt- beside the point.
Without a valid birth certificate, Obama cannot prove he fulfills the “natural born citizen” requirement of the Constitution, throwing into doubt his eligibility to run for President.
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It is embarrassing to watch FR do this.
It doesn’t matter where Obama was born. If his mother was a US citizen, then he is.
Even if he was born in Cuba or North Korea.
Carry on with the insanity. I sure can’t stop it.
But it’s stupid, it makes FR look stupid, and if that’s fine with everyone, keep it up.
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It is NOT stupid.
Read other FR post on the subject.
Based on the law in effect at the time of his birth, if he was actually born in another country, it doesn’t look like he is considered a natural-born citizen.
I think the law says that if only one parent is a US citizen, that parent must have lived in the US for 10 years, at least five of which was after the parent was 16.
Obama’s mother was 18 when he was born. Thus she had not lived in the US for 5 years after her 16th birthday.
Thus this is VERY important.
It doesn't matter where Obama was born. If his mother was a US citizen, then he is.
I have not been reading post about the birth certificate until this post, but is it not law that a presidential candidate be born on US soil or one of its territories....wasn't there talk about McCain not being eligible for this very reason?
What is the exact law concerning this and do they not have to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that they meet its eligibility(has not every other president)?
No it is not embarrassing that people have hounded a topic to get straight answers when not provided, this is exactly the reason we have broken the news here so often. We have people determined to find the facts whether good or bad.
That is wrong.
Statutory analysis sets out the legal position clearly--he isn't a citizen because his mother could not have been in the United States five years after she was 16 because she was only 18 when he was born. End of story.
If he was born in Kenya, he is not only not eligible to act as President under Article II, Sec. 1, Par. 4 of the U S Constitution, he is not a citizen of the US under 8 USCA Sec. 1401(g).
Those that are running this board need to step back and bitchslap themselves.
Yeah but if he was not born in Hawaii and has been lying about it that greatly undermines his credibility and judgment. Of course, if he has never actually said “I was born in Honolulu on August 4, 1961” or whatever, then maybe this is all just a set-up as some of us fear.
There are plenty of real policy weaknesses, lies, flip-flops, and far-left views & associations that we should focus on most. With that I do agree. But I think it is relevant and important to know whether Obama is a liar or worse about his origins.
No, by law, that is not correct. It may seem like a technicality, I know, since his mother was a US citizen, and under today's law, he would be a natural-born citizen. But the law in 1961 was different, and was not without reason. Think of it - his father was a citizen of Kenya and his mother was (by law at the time) a minor. If she gave birth to him in his father's homeland, he is not a natural born US Citizen, and is not qualified to serve as President.
If all those things are true, this will be a very strange and tumultuous election year. Had the forged birth certificate only been posted on Kos, Obama could still ignore all of this, but it was posted on his own site, as well, so it is a real scandal.
Look, DG, I think a lot of the commentary on some of these threads can get a little over-wrought at times, too, but in reality, this issue is very much under the radar in the MSM. From my perspective, it has not been overwhelming the election threads on FR, either.
This new admission, I believe, forces the Obama campaign to respond in some way. If their only response is simply to remove the fake BC, the issue grows. If they respond with a legitimate birth certificate, it's over.
Obama's move.
He has to be a natural-born U.S. citizen to be POTUS. That disallows being born in Cuba, N. Korea, etc. as you claim. It doesn't that his mother is a citizen.
I agree, the dems wouldn’t run him if they couldn’t prove he’s a U.S. citizen. These constant posts make us look foolish.
If I was running his campaign, I would hold off proving his citizenship as long as possible to make the right look as kooky as possible.
And further, HE WAS BORN IN HAWAII.
No matter who he parents were, he was born in the USA= natural born citizen.
As PhatHead says, if Obama was born outside the US and his mother was legally a minor at the time, then Obama is NOT a naturally born US citizen and therefore not eligible to be president.
This is enough of a scandal that the FEC should demand a hand delivered, official certified copy of his BC. That would end all doubt one way or the other.
Wrong. It is not enough to be a US citizen. You must be a natural born US citizen. If you are born overseas of ONE US citizen parent, you are automatically eligible for a green card and a path to citizenship, BUT YOU ARE NOT AUTOMATICALLY a citizen, and you are not a natural-born citizen.
I have friends who were born overseas of a US citizen mother and a Canadian citizen father. They had to file naturalization papers (easy, yes, automatic, no) when they came of age.
Sorry buddy, but that’s ignorance your parading there
It’s not whether he is a citizen, he is, it’s whether he qualifies as a natural born one. There are certain conditions that have to be met for THAT status. And to be president you HAVE to HAVE that status.
The current rules are NOT the same as those that were in force at the time of his birth.
He could have been born in a pig sty on Mars to Mao Tse Dong and it still would not matter as to whether or not he is a real US citizen as long as one of the parents was a US citizen.
I have from the start been extremely critical of this story.
However, there is something odd about why Obama will not post his original BC.
I'm thinking that the original might contain a middle name like Muhammad such as Baracks Hussein Muhammad Obama ll.
We need to get off the where was he born hype and concentrate on why the Obama campaign site posted a fake but accurate Dan Rather document.
We all know that liberals would rather embellish or hide the truth and that was learned from the Clinton's.
But it's stupid, it makes FR look stupid, and if that's fine with everyone, keep it up.
Given what you write, what would be the purpose, then, of providing a fake birth certificate, assuming that's what's happened? And what is the logic behind Obama's continued refusal to provide the original?
I for one am not embarrassed, merely intrigued. Some questions remain, and answers should be expected.
Yep, you're right as far as I can tell.
1401. Nationals and citizens of United States at birth
-(g) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years: Provided, That any periods of honorable service in the Armed Forces of the United States, or periods of employment with the United States Government or with an international organization as that term is defined in section 288 of title 22 by such citizen parent, or any periods during which such citizen parent is physically present abroad as the dependent unmarried son or daughter and a member of the household of a person
He's running for President. Citizenship is not enough to qualify, otherwise Schwarzenegger could be President.
Dear Lord, do I have to explain this on every Obama B/C thread?