Posted on 06/20/2008 9:46:23 AM PDT by SeafoodGumbo
Hey, way to go, Townhall.com. Why not publish Pat Buchanan’s Holocaust revisionism? After all, he’s a real conservative, isn’t he?
Retch.
Townhall.com::Was the Holocaust Inevitable?::By Patrick J. Buchanan.
I’ve removed Townhall.com from our list of news sources. This is appalling.
UPDATE at 6/20/08 9:39:59 am:
The article has been deleted, but the print version is still online.
The anti-Prussian propaganda put out by the British foreign office was discredited a long time ago.
Pure speculation, hardly. The British were nearly bankrupt, and parts of the French army mutinied. The Germans simply did not have the strength to make a break through of the magnitude that would overwhelm the Allies. The war could not have lasted another six months without US intervention.
I don’t think the French, Dutch, Belgians, etc. would have been especially anxious to have a Prussian “conservative monarchy” dominate their countries any more than the Czechs, Hungarians, Lithuanians, etc. were anxious to have the Soviet Union dominate their countries. The major players in Europe have been at peace for more than 60 years. That’s a pretty good track record, given the history of the past 600 years there.
In case you think that I’m changing the subject with the last sentence, I think WWII was in large part a resumption of WWI.
Second Sino-Japanese War?
And on whose terms would the war have been ended? Read your second sentence again. A Western Europe dominated by Germany would not have been a stable “order” for France or Great Britain. This issue was not, unfortunately, settled by the Armistice signed in 1918. It took the utter political and military destruction of Germany in WWII to end its recurring territorial ambitions in Europe.
I guess you didn’t notice that I used Chamberlain’s words.
I think you missed the point in post 55.
Thanks for the back up.
I noticed it, but coming from Chamberlain, I decided to ignore it.
I watch FOX every night and I rarely see him there.
Didn’t they first put people on buses and try to gas them that way? It wasn’t fast enough...
Not true. The holocaust began in earnest as soon as Hitler invaded Russia in June of 1941. The Germans did not begin to believe they were losing until about a year and half later.
I read “Wilson’s War” by Jim Powell. He posits the theory that had America stayed out of WW I , WW II could have been avoided. But he never went as far as Pat
And that, I think, is a mistake, albeit an understandable one. That was certainly the spark, but the fuel had been laid years before. War in the Balkans had been threatening for years prior to 1914. For example, there was the Balkan War of 1912-13. My recollection is that Britain, especially, was very concerned about it spreading into a more general war, because Austrian and Russian interests collided in the matter of Black Sea ports.
The network of alliances, and highly competitive imperialism (especially with Germany trying to make up for lost time) pretty much made war inevitable.
What surprised everybody, I think, was not the war itself, but rather the fact that the war could not be stopped once it had begun.
Unfortunately, we had an Anglophile pedant for President who believe that every people had a right to "national self-determination", by gunpoint if necessary.
Kaiser Wilhelm was a great man, especially when compared with David Lloyd George or Nicholas Romanov. "
Where do we even begin with such nonsense?
First of all, the possibility that the US would side with Germany against Britain & France was zero, zip nada. It could not, would not happen. So fagetaboutit.
The very best that Germans could hope for was: the US would remain more-or-less officially neutral.
But even this was not realistic, since the US had loaned Britain & France huge sums of money, which the allies then used to purchase weapons from the US -- making the US economy boom! In short, the US as a country was "war profiteering."
Any American could see that if the allies lost, the US would be ruined economically.
So the Germans were almost doomed, once their great Schlieffen Plan failed, and the allied trench line held -- held long enough for Americans to finally understand where their best interests lay.
Finally, the only real alternative to Woodrow Wilson was Teddy Roosevelt who, years before it happened, urged Wilson to enter the war -- on the side of the Brits, naturally.
As to whether Keiser Willy was a "greater man" than David Lloyd George ("Georgy boy," if you insist) -- well... first it's nonsense, second irrelevant.
George was a committed (small d) democrat with centuries of British tradition to guide him. He was America's natural familial ally.
The Kaiser was a committed monarchist, who wanted war to establish his "street creds" as a Kaiser, and who needed war THEN (1914), before in his estimate the allies (especially Russia) grew strong enough to defeat him.
The Kaiser was utterly alien to America's principles and interests.
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