Posted on 05/13/2008 6:48:52 AM PDT by Bowtie52
The time has come for America to make a choice. The arch enemy of Socialism is Individual Rights. The 08 election has become a referendum that will determine which path America will take. As the primary issues are presented IE immigration, economy or the wars that are currently taking place, everyone wants to discuss the stance each candidate will take. The media will parse the words and regurgitate them in light of “how” the candidate has either voted or expressed himself on related issues. They might draw a line indicating that on “XYZ” issue the candidate is conservative or liberal but that’s as far as it goes. At no time are issues framed to reflect candidate’s response to individual rights VS communal rights. This is THE primary issue and the pabulum the media spews avoids even the words that describe it.
The government is not in place to guard “our” rights as Americans. Either we guard them or they go away as the government wants to absorb them more than “We the People” seem to. The First Amendment, the Right to Free Speech has been challenged to the point of mockery by Atheist groups, advocates for same sex marriage and flag burners etc. While judges occupy their time and energy with such nonsense, the Christian’s rights, as well as other groups have become severely curtailed. IE; High School students are told what they can and can’t say in a graduating address. Homeowners associations are busy telling us what is and isn’t permissible to do with OUR homes, which of OUR trees can and can’t be cut etc. The Federal and State confiscatory tax burden has become oppressive and been used to fund a social engineering agenda. In essence, the “right” to be an antonymous individual is becoming less and less valid. Every aspect of life has become controlled by some presiding authority. This election is THE tool our forefathers left us to reverse the trend.
This is not the Nation we inherited from our parent’s generation and it should not be the legacy we leave to our kids. The enemies of Freedom are everywhere. Their job is to usurp individual rights. To date, we, the Baby Boomers, have allowed it. How much further will we go with it? The antithesis of Socialism IS Individual rights. This includes the right to be left alone, unobserved, unburdened and independent. As we select a candidate in the 08 election, the choice is clear; the unbridled imposition of the nanny State or reclaiming our individual rights. How this takes place starts with the willingness to fight for what we believe as our forefathers were willing to do.
“You missed my point. I said, “Who are you going to vote for, Obama?” There isn’t any other choice. See my previous post.”
The choice is called a write in. There’s always a choice.
I won’t vote for any of the big 3.
ahhh I see just because I’m not an uber old dude it means I don’t have an opinion.
Sorry I’m going to voice my opinion whether you like it or not.
Simply put, here is why I will never vote for Mcain. You can do what you want to with the information.
1. He’s a traitor. He turned his back on fellow POW’s who were still missing after the Vietnam Conflict ended.
2. He’s a traitor. He helped push a bill into law that unconstitutionally hinders Free Speech (Mcain Feingold).
3. He’s a traitor. He refuses, absolutely refuses to support efforts to get rid of people who are in the country Illegally, or to help enforce the laws that are already on the books to keep them out.
4. He’s an environazi. On top of not helping to open up ANWAR and off shore drilling, he also votes to keep any new refineries from opening up and now it seems is on the Global Warming bandwagon.
I can go on with other examples but I’ll have to go look them up.
Now I could do the same thing you do and say that anyone who votes for Mcain is not using common sense. But I won’t do that. You are most likely a very rational logical individual. But our ideas about who we can and will support seem to differentiate at one point. You will support him because he’s not Clintoon or Hussein.
I have to have far better motivation than that. Choosing the lesser of 2 lessers is something I will never do again.
The Republican party, of which I have been a member for 32 years will no longer automatically get my vote. They are going to have to earn it and they will earn it by putting a CONSERVATIVE up to vote for.
John Mcain the Traitor is NOT a conservative. He maybe a Republican, but he’s not a conservative.
Sonny, I never said he was a conservative. You should research your opponents a bit more before you go after them.
I’ll ask you once more.
If it isn’t going to be McCain and you pooh poohed Obama, who do you plan to vote for? What is your SOLUTION?
All I see are a bunch of loudmouthed, whiny-assed-crybabies in these threads claiming how they will never vote for McCain, but they don’t seem to have any other answers than to BITCH about it.
Now, instead of trying to discredit me, try giving yourself some credit and explain your reasoning, and your SOLUTION. I don’t care why you WON’T vote for McCain, I DO however expect you and “your” loudmouthed “opinion” (if you want to call it that, since it was apparently given to you as talking points by someone)... so do us all a favor and prove yourself NOT a troll, by explaining your SOLUTION.
I dare you to. I bet you can not or won’t. Put up, or shut up.
You need to read back up. You’re not hearing what I am saying. I know that is a choice. You’re going to have to explain how it will work before you will convince the majority of people to do it.
I’ve considered it. Some states DO NOT ALLOW WRITE INS, and they WON’T BE COUNTED.
So... I’ll write in Thompson and you’ll write in Ron Paul. Someone else will write in Romney. Someone else will write in Pat Paulsen.
What has that gotten us?
Nothing.
it gets us OBAMA. That’s all it will do.
So you see, it might be a CHOICE, but it, like choosing a Hillary Clinton or O. Hussein Obama is stupid. Or, choosing to stay home is stupid. Doing a write-in without it counting is the same as staynig home.
Again, you’ve missed the mark, and you’ve missed the point.
Well, you can tell by my posts - I’m a huge conservative and have read and posted on FR(though I haven’t posted a lot)since 2004 and before.
I understand about 9-11 not happening again but these terrorist are waiting. There could be cells here (and IMHO very likely) hanging out in our cities just waiting. I’m sure many got here illegally and legally. THIS IS A MAJOR problem. To be protecting Iraq’s borders and NOT our own is UNACCEPTABLE and no matter what anyone says this is the MAIN reason I do not support the current President anymore. He also has NOT done anything to stop illegals or close our porous borders and that IS the President’s NUMBER 1 JOB. Also, the two Patriots sitting in prison cells in Texas for doing their jobs on the border, makes me want to up-chuck daily. So defend the President all you want (which is your right) but I cannot and have not for some time now. That doesn’t mean we should disrespect him but that also doesn’t me I HAVE to be behind him when I believe he is wrong (which at this point is 80% of the time)
As to what I will do in November.
I will either write-in or vote for the Constitution Party.
I have never voted other then Republican but I can’t not in good conscience vote for McCain and if this gets Obama in then the Republicans have only themselves to blame. Through the Myers debacle and the immigration bill getting slammed down - a message was sent to them for the last 3 years - and it has fallen on deaf ears — donations are down - Excuse me but if they don’t have a clue that they should be running on a conservative agenda then that’s NOT my fault... they should get a clue. I totally respect that you are going to vote McCain but I also have a right not to vote for him.
Well, it’s not that I am voting for McCain because I want to.
America, folks, is whether anyone here cares to acknowledge the fact, STILL a two party system.
There might be other parties in the running, but, honestly, ALL of you know that NONE of them, not even a write in vote by popular vote will get the election.
It isn’t just my opinion here that a vote for a third party or a write-in candidate is a wasted vote, it’s a fact. An absolute fact.
There are no circumstances under which I can see (even if we ALL voted for the same write-in) that the write-in would get the presidency.
The two parties, the GOP and the Dems have it locked out so no one else can play, and only those appearing on the ballot can win.
Most states won’t even allow a write in (ok many states).
When it comes right down to it, I can predict with great accuracy what will happen.
Everyone that doesn’t want to vote for McCain (and won’t vote obama) will vote for a third party or a write-in candidate and in so doing will simply spread the voting thinner and thinner.
The DEMOCRATS however, have an absolute LOCK on what they are doing. They will vote for Obama. Liberals, socialists, communists, and probably a good portion of those claiming to be Libertarians (because many aren’t actually Libertarians and only claim that title because they don’t want to do battle with Conservatives on the street and bars, and in the post office, or at school). That means the majority of votes will end up in Obama’s lap.
While the folks who USED to be part of the GOP and feel disenfranchised, those who are just simply pissed off (and voice it here on and off) will either NOT vote at all or they will do the write-in thing or third party vote.
So...
At this point, I am saying that regardless of whatever your (or my) reasons are, what happens will be on all our heads, and there isn’t one of you complaining about McCain, or the President here that clearly understands how our political system works. Instead a whole lot of hot headedness on everyone’s part is going to be responsible for GIVING the Democrats both the Presidency and most seats in the Senate and House.
Furthermore, MY personal opinions of McCain have been posted here, so I don’t have to reiterate them over and over to defend my position on this. I don’t like him, at all, and I’ve posted my reasons for this in the past.
I was a hard core Fredhead (and still am) and if I thought it would do a damned bit of good I’d write HIM in, or I’d vote for the “Constitution party” (Ron Paul, right?) but Paul is a KOOK. If he’d kept his mouth SHUT and not said the US was responsible for 9-11 I’d have taken everything else he said and said “Good man”.
But that one thing is enough for me to have called it quits on him long ago.
Thompson and Hunter were the ONLY two actual Conservatives, and they dropped out through whatever background coercion took place and I’m very, very VERY “pissed” at the GOP for offering up someone like John McCain.
But, should I stay home, not vote or give my vote to the Democrats? HELL NO.
You folks do whatever you like, as you all will.
But mark my words this election will be the worst in history and it will be due to a whole lot of hot headed people being pissed off for McCain.
I DO stand on principles, but I intend to work from WITHIN the system and vote for the best offered, and then fight him when he goes the wrong way.
I’d urge the same thing of all of you.
Sigh.
Go BACK and read what I said. I didn’t say *I* was going to write in Romney, good God.
Are you people daft today or what?
I said WHO ARE YOU PEOPLE GOING TO WRITE IN? WHY ARE YOU GOING TO WRITE SOMEONE IN?
Those were examples.
I’m SAYING “Why would ANYONE consider WRITING IN ANYONE?”
Good grief
and I’ll use the word dumbass any time I like. I’ve been using it here for years and now someone complains? Get OVER it.
Well, I don’t really think I’m Hot-Headed. Conservatives have been screwed by the GOP for the last 20 years (Since Reagan) and they have been going more liberal every year. I have accepted that fact. I don’t see much difference between the results of a McCain or Obama Presidency, I think you see a difference and that’s where we differ. .... I’m still voting Republican in the state and local elections just not for the Presidency, because I just don’t see were a McCain presidency is any better then an Obama one. Sorry.
I didnt say YOU specifically. That was a general statement.
I do see a big difference.
Obama IS a Socialist. He WILL raise taxes, and not much we can do if the senate and house goes with him.
On the other hand, McCain still has SOME value system that is related, however distantly to capitalism and we can still fight to keep him from signing every liberal bill that comes through. Obama will completely ignore us.
McCain might try to ignore us, but it will cause a stink with his so-called “Republican Presidency”.
Barring that, I go with the crowd and let a Dem take the office so someone with an R by his name doesn’t end up getting all the blame for the bad times this country is about to go through.
One way or another, Republicans are redeemable, and Democrats have absolutely no current redeeming value.
“I didnt say YOU specifically. That was a general statement.”
Yeah, I know what you meant (no offense was taken by me)...
“Obama IS a Socialist. He WILL raise taxes, and not much we can do if the senate and house goes with him.” - that’s tricky b/c McCain didn’t vote for the Bush Tax cuts... so it’s hard to convince myself that he will actually not raise taxes when the liberal press tells him to b/c you know he loves the attention (we can say one think - Bush doesn’t give a CRAP about what the press thinks or says about him and if he believes it he does it! At least he still has that on occasion .... Don’t know if I can convince myself that McCain has that... - I’m trying not to LIE to myself this time around
“we can still fight to keep him from signing every liberal bill that comes through. Obama will completely ignore us.” Again McCain will ignore us... I can’t lie to myself any more.... and
“but it will cause a stink with his so-called “Republican Presidency”.” ... He’s running as a Liberal Conservative... hmmmmm - again don’t think he cares about the Republican Party ..... -
but you’re RIGHT on
“Democrats have absolutely no current redeeming value.” .... I think a drink is in order now :) Have a good one!
Hahaha
at least we can agree on that!!!!!!!!
See you around
Until you have another solution I suggest all of you STFU . . .
Sorry, no can do. It's called Free Speech - evidently an alien concept to you.
. . . and stop telling the rest of us what to do for a change or berating us because we're at least thinking this through.
Thinking it through? See http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2015218/posts for the latest stunt your boy has pulled. At what point do you say, "ENOUGH of this horsecrap!"?
Vote or don't vote, but don't tell ME how to vote.
Where did I say that? I'm pointing out that your type of "lesser of two evils" (which I used to do) is not going to change the leftward drift of the GOP.
What precisely is the "dark side"? How about you let us all in on the secret if its so good? Because you don't have a CLUE do you?
Sheesh. I didn't say it was a secret or that it was that great. Look in the mirror for the clueless. The "Dark Side" is taken on this board as anyone who does not support the GOP candidate.
Liberals won't stop pushing socialism down our throats until we fight back and kick their asses.
And we do that by voting for McCain?
It's time to do that. But NOT voting for McCain gives them a win.
Voting for McCain still gives them a win - maybe moreso that a Dem getting in. If McCain gets in and pushes his Dem-Lite projects, the Pubbies will fall into lockstep out of Party loyalty, if nothing else, with the exception of a few principled Conservatives. If the Dems get in, the GOP will be more likely to fight the same proposals, not because they are against them, but because they will try and continue the charade of being an opposition party.
Of course you have choice. Alan Keyes is a fine Reagan Conservative. If you can't vote for him, there is Bob Barr.
The only thing stopping you from voting your conscience is a false sense of 'electability', the very same 'electability' that got us here in the first place.
McCain will never win against Obama. They are selling the same stuff, and Obama does it better. End of story.
If you care to make a difference in the outcome, vote for the longshot, and stand by your principles.
Why? His platform makes the answer apparent.
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