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Would you submit to a forced 'conversion'?
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Posted on 08/28/2006 9:47:01 AM PDT by Grig

The release of the Fox News personnel brings up what I think is an interesting moral question. If you give in and 'convert' so you can get back to your family etc., are you violating your true faith?

I don't think anyone can say for sure what they would do under such prolonged duress and I wouldn't judge someone harshly for having a breaking point, but I hope I would resist even to death any effort to force me to deny my faith.

I started a poll on this at FreeDominon, and thought you might want to have a go at it too. There is no poll function here, so you can either register and vote there, or just post a reply here, or just think it over.

The Poll:

You have been kidnapped by radical Muslims who will torture and kill you unless you publicly convert to Islam and participate in a propaganda video with them. Do you intend to....

a) Refuse to convert to help them in any way, even to the point of death by beheading.

b) Resist for as long as you can, but when no rescue comes, go ahead and do it. Everyone (including God) knows you don't really mean it so it doesn't matter.

c) Resist as long as they don't hurt you too much, but when no rescue comes, go ahead and do it. You're not sure there is a God to offend so who cares.

d) Resist for as long as you can, but when no rescue comes, go ahead and do it. God will not be pleased, but you can repent later after you are back with your family.

e) Forget this 'resist as long as you can' stuff, just do it and get the heck out of there.

f) Resist for as long as you can, but when no rescue comes make the video but not 'convert'.

g) Resist for as long as you can, but when no rescue comes 'convert but refuse to make the video.

h) I'de be the one doing the kidnapping you infidel dog!

i) Other (post and explain)


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1 posted on 08/28/2006 9:47:01 AM PDT by Grig
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To: Grig
I'd say exactly what they wanted me to say, with the stipulation that they beat me severely about the face, first.

Two can play the video propaganda game.

2 posted on 08/28/2006 9:48:55 AM PDT by Physicist
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One small point - if you convert to islam (by whatever methods) and then covert to another religion - that is an automatic death sentence in many muslim counties
3 posted on 08/28/2006 9:49:17 AM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - They want to die for Islam, and we want to kill them.)
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This is tough! I'd say, The Lord knows what's in your heart but I'd do nothing to encourage or advance them.


4 posted on 08/28/2006 9:50:37 AM PDT by Froufrou
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Maybe , maybe not, but I know this..I certainly wouldnt after the ordeal proclaim that the Palestinians are a "beautiful people whose story needs to be told".


5 posted on 08/28/2006 9:50:45 AM PDT by samadams2000
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If a bunch of these filthy, smelly animals were holding me at gunpoint I'd pretend to follow their stupid gutter religion to save my life. God knows what is really in the heart.


6 posted on 08/28/2006 9:51:00 AM PDT by jpl (Victorious warriors win first, then go to war; defeated warriors go to war first, then seek to win.)
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I choose A.


7 posted on 08/28/2006 9:51:31 AM PDT by TChris (Banning DDT wasn't about birds. It was about power.)
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To: Grig
"Would you submit to a forced 'conversion'?"

NO

8 posted on 08/28/2006 9:51:43 AM PDT by bigfootbob
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Yes-- but I don't have a faith to begin with, so it's a slam-dunk for me. Hell, I'd kiss Osama's ass if it meant I'd be home again for my wife and daughter.

(His donkey, not his buttocks, btw).


9 posted on 08/28/2006 9:51:47 AM PDT by agooga (For they sow the wind, and they will reap the whirlwind.)
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The idea is to stay alive. Saying words without any belief behind them makes those words meaningless.

John McCain "cracked" as a POW. I don't hear anyone excoriating him for selling out his country as some here are doing to Centanni for allegedly selling out his religion and his country.
10 posted on 08/28/2006 9:52:26 AM PDT by Eagles Talon IV
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"Why would I convert to a dirty sh*tbag cowardly 6th century death cult", would probably not be a good response. I can be tough here at the keyboard.


11 posted on 08/28/2006 9:53:16 AM PDT by samadams2000
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I believe that Jews are not permitted to convert to another religion. While virtually every law in the Torah can be violated to save a life, I don't think that worshipping an idol or a false "diety" is allowed. THAT is what martydom is about, not being a splodeydope and murdering a bunch of innocent women and children as you commit suicide.

Of course, the Islamofascists would likely not give any Jew such a choice, as they seem to so relish the idea of sawing off the heads of living Jews, preferably slowly and in front of a camera.

As I am no authority on Jewish law, I welcome any corrections.


12 posted on 08/28/2006 9:53:24 AM PDT by Ancesthntr
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To: Grig

I would hope I would be able to do A.


13 posted on 08/28/2006 9:53:31 AM PDT by Ingtar (Prensa dos para el ingl├ęs)
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Somehow I think if you have your face on mud with your hands painfully tied behind your back, it's not a real conversion. They can make you say whatever they want but if you haven't converted in your mind and heart, how can this be a true conversion? I bet they don't even have to undo this to go back to their original religions. The Muslims who do this hate us all. They want to kill us whether or not we recant their so called religion.


14 posted on 08/28/2006 9:53:57 AM PDT by Merry
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I'm with you. I'd pose in nipple-clamps for photos of me butt-f@#$ng Capatain Kangaroo if they said they'd then let me go. And then I'd go home and sleep well without giving the matter another thought.


15 posted on 08/28/2006 9:54:42 AM PDT by TrebleRebel
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To: 2banana
One small point - if you convert to islam (by whatever methods) and then covert to another religion - that is an automatic death sentence in many muslim counties

That may be true - but IF I did any such thing, rest assured that I'd a) never visit another Moslem nation and b) I'd be taking a few of them with me first, by way of my many concealed weapons (and if I didn't have them, getting them would be the first order of business after spending some time with my family).

16 posted on 08/28/2006 9:55:37 AM PDT by Ancesthntr
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I doubt that I would, I'd trust My Lord...however, who knows under those circumstances...those who do not have a close relationship with The Lord...most probably would.

A forced conversion is just that forced without their heart in it...without the heart conversion IT DOESN'T COUNT.

17 posted on 08/28/2006 9:55:52 AM PDT by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand; but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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If I was convinced that they would let me go if I did what they said, I would say anything and make any video they forced me to. After I was released I would make it very clear that everything I said and did was done at the point of a gun.


18 posted on 08/28/2006 9:57:19 AM PDT by zook (McCain/Giuliani/Rice--2 of the 3 in 08!)
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To: Grig

I pray I'd have the strength and will to resist it with everything in me and all the added strength God would doubtless supply.


19 posted on 08/28/2006 9:59:12 AM PDT by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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Do whatever it takes to survive and get out.


20 posted on 08/28/2006 9:59:44 AM PDT by najida (The internet is for kids grown up-- Where else could you have 10,000 imaginary friends?)
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