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Secondary Addiction Part III: Ann Coulter on Evolution
Talk Reason ^ | James Downard

Posted on 07/27/2006 8:12:50 AM PDT by Junior

Following her discussion of dinosaurs examined in Part II of this series, Coulter (2006, 219) ventured this:

For over a hundred years, evolutionists proudly pointed to the same sad birdlike animal, Archaeopteryx, as their lone transitional fossil linking dinosaurs and birds. Discovered a few years after Darwin published The Origin of Species, Archaeopteryx was instantly hailed as the transitional species that proved Darwin's theory. This unfortunate creature had wings, feathers, teeth, claws, and a long, bony tail. If it flew at all, it didn't fly very well. Alas, it is now agreed that poor Archaeopteryx is no relation of modern birds. It's just a dead end. It transitioned to nothing.

But could Archaeopteryx be our one example of bad mutations eliminated by natural selection? Archaeopteryx can't fill that role either, because it seems to have no predecessors. The fossils that look like Archaeopteryx lived millions of years after Archaeopteryx, and the fossils that preceded Archaeopteryx look nothing at all like it. The bizarre bird is just an odd creation that came out of nowhere and went nowhere, much like Air America Radio.

Where should one begin with this?

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TOPICS: History; Miscellaneous; Pets/Animals; Science
KEYWORDS: archaeopteryx; coulter; crevolist; enoughalready; evolution; fetish; pavlovian
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To: Junior
There is one group of birds that have teeth as juveniles, but lack any other reptilian features.

Maybe you are thinking of egg teeth? Those are not really teeth. It's just an expression.

41 posted on 07/27/2006 10:15:04 AM PDT by HayekRocks
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To: CarolinaGuitarman

LOL!


42 posted on 07/27/2006 10:15:06 AM PDT by phantomworker ("The hardest thing to learn in life is which bridge to cross and which to burn." ~ David Russell)
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To: HayekRocks; Virginia-American

Naw. I goofed and confused it with the wing claws. I do get a bit daft at times.


43 posted on 07/27/2006 10:16:35 AM PDT by Junior (Identical fecal matter, alternate diurnal period)
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To: Junior; carlo3b; stanz; gakrak; massfreeper; hosepipe; Donald Rumsfeld Fan; MadLibDisease; fffff; ..

Let me know if you'd like to be on the Ann Coulter ping list.

44 posted on 07/27/2006 10:18:13 AM PDT by jellybean (Proud to be an Ann-droid and a Steyn-aholic)
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To: RadioAstronomer

Why would she be so blatant about it? Just to get a rise out of people? She has to be smarter than that!


46 posted on 07/27/2006 10:21:29 AM PDT by phantomworker ("The hardest thing to learn in life is which bridge to cross and which to burn." ~ David Russell)
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To: HayekRocks; Junior
Maybe you are thinking of egg teeth? Those are not really teeth. It's just an expression.

You know who else has egg teeth? Some marsupials, who never need to use it since they are born live and never have to break through a shell. Further discussion and references.

This fact makes perfectly good sense from the evolutionary point of view, but is hard to reconcile with any sort of *intelligent* design; why make something that's never used, only to have it disappear later? Some engineer!

47 posted on 07/27/2006 10:24:26 AM PDT by Virginia-American
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To: Junior

Let me know if you'd like to be OFF the Ann Coulter ping list.
48 posted on 07/27/2006 10:30:10 AM PDT by DoctorMichael (A wall first. A wall now.)
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To: wbmstr24
and had absolutely no traits other than a distinct bird.....

Except for the teeth and the tail (and a few dozen other features) which *just happen* to resemble dinosaur teeth and tails.

There are experiments which indicate that at least some modern birds have the genes for teeth, but they never need to use them. Another elegant design! (elegant if you're Bill Gates, that is)

49 posted on 07/27/2006 10:32:30 AM PDT by Virginia-American
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To: wbmstr24
ok, made the mistake of saying that, i meant other extinct birds had teeth too, that still dosent change the point that the this bird was completely bird, had a bird brain, bird feet, bird wings, bird lung, bird breastbone made for flying, and had absolutely no traits other than a distinct bird.....

As I already posted, Archeopteryx had a reptile-like, not a bird-like keeled sternum. You do know the sternum is the breast bone, I hope? The lungs are controversial, since we do not have fossilized tissue. The feet bones are unfused, like reptiles, not birds. The metacarpals in the wing are free not fused, like reptiles, not birds.

50 posted on 07/27/2006 10:36:02 AM PDT by HayekRocks
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To: Junior
teeth, bony tail, and one species lacked a wishbone..

Sound suspiciously like Rep Rosa DeLauro.. :)
http://transcripts.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLITICS/stories/02/10/marriage.penalty/delauro.jpg

51 posted on 07/27/2006 10:38:03 AM PDT by carlo3b ("Leave the gun, take the cannolis")
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To: phantomworker
Can't quite figure out Ms. Coulter. On the one hand, she is a sharp-witted, self-confident lush without falter, whose chutzpah I admire. On the other, she's a "whoosh" who talks trash, and is obviously ignorant about evolution and not afraid to show it.

She's empowered by her fan base. They will applaud and defend anything she says and does.

52 posted on 07/27/2006 10:38:03 AM PDT by EveningStar
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To: HayekRocks; Junior
If "forebore" is good enough for Samuel Pepys it's good enough for me.
53 posted on 07/27/2006 10:43:51 AM PDT by js1138 (Well I say there are some things we don't want to know! Important things!")
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To: EveningStar

Interesting "phenom". ;)


54 posted on 07/27/2006 10:44:31 AM PDT by phantomworker ("The hardest thing to learn in life is which bridge to cross and which to burn." ~ David Russell)
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To: tallhappy
"The notary held a letter in his hand; continually referring to it with his eyes, he continually forbore reading it aloud." from Monsieur Motte, by Grace Elizabeth King (1888).

"Knowing the state of Mr. Johnson's nerves, and how easily they were affected, I forbore reading in a new magazine, one day, the death of a Samuel Johnson who expired that month; but my companion snatching up the book, saw it himself, and contrary to my expectation, 'Oh!' said he, 'I hope Death will now be glutted with Sam Johnsons, and let me alone for some time to come; I read of another namesake's departure last week.'" from Anecdotes of the late Samuel Johnson, by Hesther Lynch Piozzi (1786).

"While he forebore reading anything, most of what I know about medieval English religious writing has been shaped by long (and beery) communions with the field’s greatest expert, Vincent Gillespie, whose influence has always impinged on my writing." from author’s commentary, London Literature, 1300 – 1380, by Ralph Hanna, Professor of Palaeography at the University of Oxford and Tutorial Fellow in English at Keble College, Oxford.

"Care will sometimes betray to the appearance of negligence. He that is catching opportunities which seldom occur, will suffer those to pass by unregarded, which he expects hourly to return; he that is searching for rare and remote things, will neglect those that are obvious and familiar: thus many of the most common and cursory words have been inserted with little illustration, because in gathering the authorities, I forebore to copy those which I thought likely to occur whenever they were wanted." from Preface to the English Dictionary, by Samuel Johnson (1755)

55 posted on 07/27/2006 10:44:38 AM PDT by atlaw
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To: RightWingAtheist
Only spontaneous combustion could save Coulter now.

Spontaneous combustion requires body fat.

56 posted on 07/27/2006 10:46:17 AM PDT by js1138 (Well I say there are some things we don't want to know! Important things!")
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To: atlaw

Whither whence doest mine forebears foreswear forbear.


57 posted on 07/27/2006 10:57:08 AM PDT by tallhappy (Juntos Podemos!)
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To: tallhappy
Ahhh. I see. Junior was "completely unaware of [his] laughable dumbness" because of his archaic usage. Very subtle point there.
59 posted on 07/27/2006 11:03:26 AM PDT by atlaw
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To: atlaw

It takes a lot of forbearance to deal with some of the people who post here.


60 posted on 07/27/2006 11:04:53 AM PDT by tallhappy (Juntos Podemos!)
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