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Secondary Addiction Part III: Ann Coulter on Evolution
Talk Reason ^ | James Downard

Posted on 07/27/2006 8:12:50 AM PDT by Junior

Following her discussion of dinosaurs examined in Part II of this series, Coulter (2006, 219) ventured this:

For over a hundred years, evolutionists proudly pointed to the same sad birdlike animal, Archaeopteryx, as their lone transitional fossil linking dinosaurs and birds. Discovered a few years after Darwin published The Origin of Species, Archaeopteryx was instantly hailed as the transitional species that proved Darwin's theory. This unfortunate creature had wings, feathers, teeth, claws, and a long, bony tail. If it flew at all, it didn't fly very well. Alas, it is now agreed that poor Archaeopteryx is no relation of modern birds. It's just a dead end. It transitioned to nothing.

But could Archaeopteryx be our one example of bad mutations eliminated by natural selection? Archaeopteryx can't fill that role either, because it seems to have no predecessors. The fossils that look like Archaeopteryx lived millions of years after Archaeopteryx, and the fossils that preceded Archaeopteryx look nothing at all like it. The bizarre bird is just an odd creation that came out of nowhere and went nowhere, much like Air America Radio.

Where should one begin with this?

(Excerpt) Read more at talkreason.org ...


TOPICS: History; Miscellaneous; Pets/Animals; Science
KEYWORDS: archaeopteryx; coulter; crevolist; enoughalready; evolution; fetish; pavlovian
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To: tallhappy
Forebore reading? ??????

Limited vocabulary? ??????

21 posted on 07/27/2006 9:47:55 AM PDT by Junior (Identical fecal matter, alternate diurnal period)
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To: Junior
The fossils that look like Archaeopteryx lived millions of years after Archaeopteryx, and the fossils that preceded Archaeopteryx look nothing at all like it. The bizarre bird is just an odd creation that came out of nowhere and went nowhere

How long does it take to make a fossil, and under what conditions are they preserved?

Do we really think we've seen all the evidence? I think only a small percentage of the natural history even exists for us to ponder about... most has been devoured by time and scattered to the winds. I certainly wouldn't assume we've seen it all. We're looking at a very small sample, and always risk coming to the wrong conclusion about where it fits in the big picture.

22 posted on 07/27/2006 9:48:00 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: wbmstr24
Doctor Alan Feduccia questions whether Archeopteryx is a link between dinosaurs and birds. He does not question that it is a link between reptiles and birds. He thinks its ancestor was a reptile, not a dinosaur.
24 posted on 07/27/2006 9:51:07 AM PDT by HayekRocks
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To: HairOfTheDog

The author actually addresses your points.


25 posted on 07/27/2006 9:51:58 AM PDT by Junior (Identical fecal matter, alternate diurnal period)
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To: wbmstr24
The fact that it had teeth is irrelevant to its alleged transitional status—a number of extinct birds had teeth, while many reptiles do not.

You posted that there are birds today which have teeth. I asked already which birds these are. I will ask again. Please tell me which birds today have teeth.

26 posted on 07/27/2006 9:54:12 AM PDT by HayekRocks
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To: EveningStar

Only spontaneous combustion could save Coulter now.


27 posted on 07/27/2006 9:55:24 AM PDT by RightWingAtheist (Creationism is to conservatism what Howard Dean is to liberalism)
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To: wbmstr24
"Be that as it may, he has no proof of that either, just more hand-waving and story telling with no empirical evidence to back it up."

Now you turn on the guy you were just parading as your source for why archeopteryx is just a bird. Priceless!
29 posted on 07/27/2006 9:59:55 AM PDT by CarolinaGuitarman (Gas up your tanks!!)
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To: Junior
Ha.

You are hilarious. Completely unaware of your laughable dumbness.

You're serious?

I am literally laughing.

The new Bowery Boys ride again.

30 posted on 07/27/2006 10:01:44 AM PDT by tallhappy (Juntos Podemos!)
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"I am always polite, you dumbass!!" Placemarker
31 posted on 07/27/2006 10:06:05 AM PDT by CarolinaGuitarman (Gas up your tanks!!)
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To: wbmstr24
...there are birds today who have teeth too, big deal....

There are? Which ones?

32 posted on 07/27/2006 10:06:17 AM PDT by Virginia-American
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To: Junior
The author actually addresses your points.

Might have... but I forebore reading it ;~D

33 posted on 07/27/2006 10:07:26 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: Junior
There is one group of birds that have teeth as juveniles

Which ones? I never heard of this before.

34 posted on 07/27/2006 10:07:45 AM PDT by Virginia-American
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To: Virginia-American
Hoatzin.
35 posted on 07/27/2006 10:10:10 AM PDT by Junior (Identical fecal matter, alternate diurnal period)
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To: Virginia-American

Belay my last. I may have gotten teeth/wing claws mixed up. Hoatzin chicks have small claws allowing them to climb trees.


36 posted on 07/27/2006 10:12:01 AM PDT by Junior (Identical fecal matter, alternate diurnal period)
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To: RightWingAtheist; Junior

Can't quite figure out Ms. Coulter. On the one hand, she is a sharp-witted, self-confident lush without falter, whose chutzpah I admire. On the other, she's a "whoosh" who talks trash, and is obviously ignorant about evolution and not afraid to show it.


37 posted on 07/27/2006 10:12:08 AM PDT by phantomworker ("The hardest thing to learn in life is which bridge to cross and which to burn." ~ David Russell)
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To: wbmstr24
Be that as it may, he has no proof of that either, just more hand-waving and story telling with no empirical evidence to back it up.

So, in fact, you are citing Feduccia to try to pretend he supports a point which he does not support.

and regardless, it is a bird, was a bird, always was a bird. paleleobabble still applies to the idea of reptiles to birds as well.

It had teeth. You seem to think that some modern birds have teeth, but you have not yet told us which birds they are. It had a long tail like a reptile. Modern birds have a short, fused pygostyle. It had a full fibula. Modern birds do not. It had a very small sternum, like a reptile, not a modern flying bird.

38 posted on 07/27/2006 10:13:12 AM PDT by HayekRocks
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To: phantomworker

Coulter is totally ignorant about evolution placemarker.


39 posted on 07/27/2006 10:13:13 AM PDT by RadioAstronomer (Senior member of Darwin Central)
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To: Junior

Are you thinking of wing claws rather than teeth?


40 posted on 07/27/2006 10:14:30 AM PDT by Virginia-American
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