Posted on 05/19/2006 7:18:41 PM PDT by PJ-Comix
At 4:23 PM today, TruthOut issued a non-apology apology over Hoaxmas. It sort of looks like an apology but it really ISN'T an apology. What it really is is a heaping load of of unadulterated BULL. As we shall see, not even the DUmmies are buying it. So let us now jump right in with the lame NON-APOLOGY APOLOGY typed out in a fit of desperation by TruthOut's Marc Ash in Bolshevik Red while the commentary of your humble correspondent, hoping that Pied Piper Pitt has a designated driver wherever he is tonight, is in the [brackets]:
The Rove Indictment Story as of Right Now
[Deeply immersed in a huge load of bull.]
On Saturday afternoon, May 13, 2006, TruthOut ran a story titled, "Karl Rove Indicted on Charges of Perjury, Lying to Investigators." The story stated in part that top Bush aide Karl Rove had earlier that day been indicted on the charges set forth in the story's title.
[And Marc starts off right away trying to feed us a heaping pile of bull since the story did not state that Karl Rove had earlier that day been indicted. It flat out stated that he had been indicted the PREVIOUS DAY. Not only that, Pied Piper Pitt shouted out in DUmmieland that the indictment would have "May 12, 2006" on it as the date. Please continue piling it on, Marc...]
The time has now come, however, to issue a partial apology to our readership for this story. While we paid very careful attention to the sourcing on this story, we erred in getting too far out in front of the news-cycle. In moving as quickly as we did, we caused more confusion than clarity. And that was a disservice to our readership and we regret it.
[God forbid you issue a FULL apology for peddling a FALSE story. And what does it mean to get "too far out in front of the news-cycle," Marc? You drinking from the same sauce bottle as Pitt? Why don't you just UP FRONT state whether the story was TRUE or FALSE?]
As such, we will be taking the wait-and-see approach for the time being. We will keep you posted.
[Yeah, you keep us posted on whether the Tooth Fairy stole those Karl Rove indictment papers. Even the DUmmies can't swallow the bull being served up by Marc Ash as you can see starting on DUmmie HOAXMAS THREAD #17 where the TruthOut Non-Apology Apology was first posted.]
Not only does it not clear anything up, it doesn't say anything at all.
[Didn't you get it? TruthOut got so far in front of the news cycle that they got run over by their own cycle.]
"too far out in front of the news-cycle". I don't know what that means.
[Pitt can explain it to you if you buy him a drink.]
It means "we're trying to spin that we were completely wrong".
[LOL!!! And a Kewpie Doll to you!]
non-apology, it's not a retraction nothing has changed. they are digging themselves into a deeper hole They also, have not pulled the story or the headline on the home page. They are standing by their story.
[Pitt is standing on Rove's indictment paper that is dated (according to him), May 12, 2006. No ifs, ands, or butts.]
i think it means that they got out in front of reality
[Don't get too far ahead of reality or it will run you over.]
????we erred in getting too far out in front of the news-cycle??? What in blazes does THAT mean? We apologize for being ahead of the curve??? That's not helpful. It's a non-apology apology. I suppose it is a shred better than nothing, but it still does not address the fundamental issues; the 24 hour business, the lack of a verifiable indictment which was not said to be sealed in the report, or the issue of the three/five/seven sources and the baker's dozen set of eyes that supposedly vetted the work.
[And don't forget the 15 hour lockdown with the Secret Service of Patton Boggs. Oh, and Sonny Crockett too!]
The whole "24 hours to get his affairs in order" thing was made up. Ask any lawyer.
[Inluding an OldLeftieLawyer.]
That's a complete non-explanation of truthout's goalpost-moving
[It took them 24 business hours to move that goalpoast.]
ROFL! They're just easing into a complete retraction...
[We've gone from Frog Walk to Retraction into the Turtle Shell.]
This incident probably caused a civil war at truthout. There have to have been staffers at truthout who didn't want their site to have anything to do with Leopold or his "investigative reporting".
[They were all outvoted by the Magic Man. And now on to DUmmie HOAXMAS THREAD #18 where the DUmmies are even MORE skeptical about TruthOutTheDoor's Non-Apology Apology.]
So, wait they're officially apologizing for "getting too far out in front of the news cycle?" What is that? They're apologizing for the the timing of the story, but not the content? Are they addressing the content of the story at all in that partial non-apology? It doesn't look like it. What "wait and see" approach? The story was wrong - why can't they simply correct it? That's really lame.
[Even the DUmmies think this TruthOut "apology" is really Pittiful.]
No more truthout for me. No More rawstory or truthout for me. I will stick to DU, Huffingtonpost, Johnconyers jnr Blog, michalemoore.com and bartcop.
[Giving up heroin for crack?]
And now I have to go slap my shop steward for getting me to go to T.O.
[And then slap yourself for remaining in DUmmieland.]
Right now, w/this non-apology for a non-story, they've just prolonged the questions & the inevitable embarrassment of a retraction. It's been a week - of continuing stories, clarifications, & new and improved details from Leopold. And this is the best explanation they can come up with? Was the story right, or was it wrong? Defend it, or retract it, but don't try to manipulate people & hide behind meaningless statements. At a newspaper, these editors & reporters would be fired.
[Or promoted like Jayson Blair at the New York Times.]
"getting too far out in front of the news-cycle" = making shit up
[To be precise, Pitt Shitt.]
It's so unbelievably arrogant for them to come out w/this cavalier non-apology, after the story's already been proved false. Really, who do they think they are? Are they not accountable to their readers? The "news cycle" & "wait & see" thing was extremely patronizing - it's almost like they're trying to fool people all over again. Were they really expecting people to buy this? I can also see why Leopold found such a home there. I used to think they got duped, but this non-explanation now makes me think that they're in it as deep as Leopold is.
[Based on past experience, they were confident the DUmmies would buy it. After all, they were just $10 away from indicting Karl Rove.]
I see now why Jason Leopold was able to get work with this group. They're as nuts as he is, but they're not as smart as he is.
[Jason Leopold is smart enough to NEVER try confessing his innermost secrets in DUmmieland under a transparent "Temporary Sockpuppet" identity.]
Rubbish. Absolute rubbish. This weasel bullshit is the best they could come with? "Too far out in front of the news cycle" - unbelievable. There must not be a banquet hall on earth big enough to hold their egos. I literally am speechless.
[A state in which Pied Piper Pitt NEVER finds himself.]
I am *pissed*, to say the least. All I have wanted is for Rove to get his. You led me on for a good week, TO! I am so *sick* of this whole era! I wish there was such a thing as a time-machine so I could just *get away*! Everyone just lets me down, all the time! It's an f-ing nightmare! Why can't I just wake up & have it all be over?
[Take a Time Trip to the Era of the Eloi. However, there will ALWAYS be the Morlocks ready to devour you wherever you go.]
There is more class in this one post... that Will Pitt has shown on DU for a long time. I truly believe his fame went to his head, and he forgot that much of that fame came from the help he received from DU. I remember when he used to post his articles here and have them editted for FREE by people who cared for the truth. Then when DU had helped him to tighten them up and make them better, then he would post them over at TO. DU helped make Will Pitt and TO, and what do we, and most importantly the admins get? They get called cretins.
[Did you help Pitt edit his Hockey Puck Geopolitical Treatise in which he proclaimed that the Third American Empire was born in the midst of fans cheering America's 1980 Olympic hockey victory over the Soviets?]
here's why this story was not plausible from the beginning does anyone really think that "white house staffers" would tell Jason Leopold the time of day, let alone something like this? the folks in the whitehouse are all bush cronies. they aren't going to leak something like this, and if they did, they certainly wouldn't call up JL. the scenario of "multiple sources" flocking to JL to tell him something this sensitive is just not plausible. but this only happened because WE all WANTED to believe it so badly.
[I thought Jason's assertion of Sonny Crockett as a source was pretty credible.]
you know flags should have gone up once the article was published
[Instead, DUmmie victory champagne bottle corks popped on a mass scale.]
Wasn't Joseph Wilson himself supposedly one of the sources?
[That was definitely Pitt's drunken assertion. And now the DUmmie Demolition Derby proceeds to DUmmie HOAXMAS THREAD #19.]
These threads make me laugh out loud.... So damn entertaining.
[LOUSY FREEPER TROLL!!!]
Is Jason Leopold the James Frey of Journalism?
[A Thousand Little Feces.]
Maybe he's the Jason Blair of the Blogs?
[Or Boggs.]
It's a non-apology, for a non-story. Fitting, I guess.
[Edited by a soon-to-be non-person.]
An added bonus is Joe Wilson getting sucked into Pitt's Hoaxmas Sewer.
Gotta go deliver the mail.......Later all!
I am not know for my fashion sense but even I would not be caught dead in that!
Watch out for Burch too.
Once again, DUmmie responsibility: Someone suggested you go to a looney lib site, you loonie lib, and you go and get taken in...and you're blaming HIM for suggesting it.
If you're so freakin smart why didn't you figure out that OutofTruth is a fantasyland for you idjits, and opt OUT?
BTW--does anyone know of any stories ABOUT DU? I'd love to read an analysis by someone outside their circle about what a lunatic asylum that place is...
Symbolman really wants Pitt kicked to the curb. Doubt it will ever happen, but he does bring up some good points. He could do the same with the Ohio Election results and several other instances where Pitt stood on the mountain and declared this or that - but ended up not true. A grandstander for attention.
symbolman (1000+ posts) Sat May-20-06 05:35 AM
Response to Original message
81. Here's the problem with the half assed "apology"
Edited on Sat May-20-06 05:38 AM by symbolman
and the "wait and see" meme..
The "Wait and SEE" attitude is EXACTLY what a real publisher does if he doesn't HAVE ALL THE FACTS, When where who how, etc.
Cart before the horse.
We've already Waited, a full WEEK, and I've seen plenty to convince me that this was manipulation and hanging their asses out there in the breeze hoping like hell Fitz would Indict before they had to "apologise"..
Let the downplaying begin. It's really very simple. SHOW ME the Target Letter Delivered on or before April 26th that was stated as FACT (Not "wait and see" THEN), that it was delivered to ROve and Luskin, and then PROVE that Rove was Indicted on the Very day it was stated as FACT by you more than a WEEK ago.
I bet Will Pitt a 1000 dollar donation for the DU that the Target Letter mentioned above does not exist, and that if it DID exist then I'd send a 1000 bucks to the DU. But if he can't Produce what he and Leopold called BULLETPROOF, and CONCRETE, then HE, or Truthout can donate the 1000 to the DU.
Instead of taking what should be a Sucker Bet since he and Leopold are so sure of, he told me to shove it up my ass, even said he'd pay someone Else 1000 dollars to do it (oh, I cried for days over that one - as a trained Vietnam Era Veteran, only too ready to defend himself from these abuses, I would invite him to say that to my face)..
The proof is that they cannot Produce legitimate facts, documentation that they claim exists, and instead hold everyone HOSTAGE with their Garbage reporting for more than a week, all the while moving the goal posts, 24 hours, then 24 Business hours (whatever the hell that means outside of a Blockbuster Video Store), and then tell everyone to sit back and enjoy the experience SOME MORE.
Do we look like we are retarded gentlemen? The Past is the Prologue to the Future. and from what I've seen, Pitt's abuses of EVERYONE on the DU (ranting about being a magic man, we're all Cretins, etc), and the fact that their PRONOUNCEMENTS are MEANINGLESS, then I hope and pray that people wake the hell up and kick their asses to the curb. I'm not saying that TO hasn't done some fine work in the past, but this looks like GRIFT to me, and I ain't the only one.
Ooops. We got the "scoop" wrong.. gee, no big deal, only led THOUSANDS of people on a wild goose chase, those who believed the horse pucky, while the shit got stirred and Fellow Democrats attacked each other over Leopold's Faith Based Media "reporting".
Thank god for the voices of reason here, instead of the Primal attacks from the Lizard layer of the brain, you people started a CIVIL WAR on this site, on the basis of and the seeking of a "scoop", and who would have received the accolades had that "premonition" come true?
Not YOU DU'RS.. THEM.
Or was Leopold brought to TO to destroy your Google and Yahoo NEWS capabilities? They aren't broadcasting for you any more, and THAT in and of itself should be enough for anyone.
Thanks-this latest edition has increased my freudenshade a billionfold.
Would the "journalist" have any expertise, really, at disrupting your blog? Or perhaps it might be the self-proclaimed "computer whiz" of DUmmieland, Fat Che, or that scorpion guy who's always threatening to "get" us?
I really don't think Jason Leopold has the cerebral capacity to do this, although of course I've been wrong before.
"Do we look like we are retarded gentlemen?"
Do you REALLY want to know the answer?
The member of democraticunderground "symbolman" was okay until he kissed Fat Che's benburch yesterday (Friday), after which he got demoted back to the DUmmie "symbolman."
But consider the material my fellow alum the rugbyite Head Warden "Skinner" has to work with--one can't make a sterling silver tea-kettle out of mud.
I agree, vigorously and enthusiastically, that my fellow alum is a wimp, a guy bossed around by his wife (not that women bossed around by their husbands is any better), with the spinal column made of cooked spaghetti.
That I agree with, wholeheartedly.
But the more I've watched the DUmmies, the more I've personally developed some--some--some--admiration for my fellow alum. He's got a difficult job, although he did ask for it, by setting up DUmmieland and all that.
I think my fellow alum has a "control" "problem;" being a liberal and a Democrat and all that, naturally and instinctively my fellow alum wants to "control" things, and the more things the better.
About all my fellow alum seems to "control" successfully are the contents of his lower intestine, and I am not so sure about that, given his sometime habit of wearing brown pants which might disguise things, if one understands what I mean.
My fellow alum has the desire but not the will.
After watching this latest debacle, this fiasco, I must say that when compared with the Bostonian Idiot, my fellow alum shines, absolutely shines.
Anybody seen any traces of the Bostonian Idiot since last Tuesday or Wednesday?
I hope like Hades the guy committed himself to treatment, because loose out in the world, he's a danger to himself and society, given his diarrheal ego.
The guy is psychotic, and it's going to take teams of psychiatrists and psychologists working around the clock, in shifts, to salvage anything of his mind that can be salvaged.
I never in my life thought anybody could possibly make the DUmmies look reasonable and rational, but I was wrong; compared with the Bostonian Idiot, the DUmmies are a paragon of lucid reasoning and sane rationality, a model of sobriety and sense.
This little paragraph sums up the DUmmie mentality perfectly.
A. Seventy-five words,eight uses of the words "me" and "I", over 10% of his screed.
B. Petty vindictiveness towards those with whom he disagrees. All I have wanted is for Rove to get his.
C. Was led on for a week when ALL the evidence was against his views.
D. Feels that his problems are because "everyone" lets him down, "all the time".
E. Feels oppressed because his fantasies do not correspond to the real world. Why can't I just wake up & have it all be over?
I've always heard that no matter how badly off you are, there's always somebody worse off. But mentally and emotionally, I don't know if that is true for the inhabitants of DemocraticUnderground.com.
Still wondering about Pitt's whereabouts?
Maybe he is "in the car with termite, forty minutes from a computer."
Kudos to your daughter.
That is because BB tries to play both sides of the fence. One post he is eating crow, and in additional posts he is saying wait and see and countering people. When TO finally admits lying, BB will come back and say "see I ate crow". If by some force of unseen nature, Rove has been indited, BB can say to the groupies that he has always supported TO. BB ain't all that dumb in the game of politics. Symbolman caught the crow post and responded in kind.
The problem is, Skinner DOES have the Will.
And he's giving him the Willies.
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