Posted on 09/22/2005 8:12:35 AM PDT by SunkenCiv
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from the same source as the first image:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phaistos_Disc
Attempted decipherment
A great deal of speculation developed around the disc during the 20th century. The Phaistos Disc captured the imagination of amateur archeologists. Alas, some of the more fanciful interpretations of its meaning are living classics of pseudoarchaeology.
Many attempts have been made to decipher the code behind the disc's glyphs. Historically, almost anything has been proposed, including prayers, a narrative or an adventure story, a "psalterion", a call to arms, a board game, and a geometric theorem.
Scholarly attempts at decipherment are thought to be unlikely to succeed unless more examples of the glyphs turn up somewhere, as it is thought that there isn't enough context available for meaningful analysis.
Uniqueness
The uniqueness of this archeological object is contested by at least two other apparently related specimens - a votive double axe found by Spyridon Marinatos in the Arkalohori Cave, Crete, and a fragment of a smaller clay disk, found at Vladikavkaz, North Ossetia. However, the first contains only superficially similar hieroglyphics, and the second, interesting as it might prove, disappeared mysteriously. So far, the Phaistos disk remains a hapax.
A translation under the assumption that the writing conceals Greek:
http://www.kairatos.com.gr/discosfestos1.htm
A totally different translation under the same assumption:
http://www.andiskaulins.com/publications/phaistos/phaistos77.htm
I'm sure some more will turn up.
Oops...I HAD a bag of cookies just like those.
Didn't know they were important.
They were kind of stale and bony, though.
Interesting.
Those mathematicians from one of their secret groups at work again....
Sigh. This thing is STILL around? I solved the "mystery" years ago, when I took Introduction to Linguistics:
"A one legged Trojan with a parrot on his head walks into a tavern , and asks the serving wench..."
The Minoans traded all over the Eastern Med, an import probably, not at all like Linear A.
If you compare the Phaistos stampings to the Luuvian glyphs there are some similarities.Yeah, I agree, an Anatolia origin. Linear A also seems to not be Greek, despite efforts to ram-jam it into that interpretation. Minoan trade went far afield; Minoan art has been found in Egypt, and Egyptian stuff on Crete. Later on, the Mycenaeans took over trade routes from the Minoans.
The Minoans traded all over the Eastern Med, an import probably, not at all like Linear A.
If you compare the Phaistos stampings to the Luuvian glyphs there are some similarities.Yeah, I agree, an Anatolia origin. Linear A also seems to not be Greek, despite efforts to ram-jam it into that interpretation. Minoan trade went far afield; Minoan art has been found in Egypt, and Egyptian stuff on Crete. Later on, the Mycenaeans took over trade routes from the Minoans.
The Minoans traded all over the Eastern Med, an import probably, not at all like Linear A.
Sorry, I must have twitched.
Uncracked Ancient CodesLinear A, undeciphered, tantalizes, because about 80 percent of its signs resemble those of Linear B. Its system of numerals seems to be fairly clear: On several tablets, a term for "total" appears at the bottom of a tablet that includes a series of numbers. The numbers add up to the total given, instilling confidence that we understand at least these units. Attempts to show that Linear A represents a known language of the Aegean world, however, have not been successful. All but a few scholars agree that the language of Linear A cannot be Greek, and the idea that it represents a Semitic language has been rejected by nearly everyone. An Anatolian language (perhaps Lycian) remains a possibility... Robinson's descriptions of such analysis, and his accounts of both successful and unsuccessful decoding attempts, are clear, provocative and stimulating.
(Lost Languages reviewed)
by William C. West
Yeah, that's Kaulin's take on it. :')
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