Posted on 04/19/2005 6:06:23 AM PDT by PJ-Comix
An unquestioned tenet of DUmmie faith is that the 2004 election was stolen by the EVIL Republicans using the infamous Black Box Voting machines. At least that belief has held fast in DUmmieland until now when DUmmie ProudToBeLiberal presented the heretical thought that maybe, just maybe, the Republicans won the election fair and square as you can see in this THREAD titled, “Blaming widespread ‘faulty’ voting machines is bad for Democrats.” Of course DUmmie ProudToBeLiberal was publicly burned at the stake for this extreme heresy. So let us now look at ProudToBeLiberal face the flames of the DUmmie Inquisition. As usual the accusations of the DUmmie Torquemadas are in Bolshevik Red while the commentary of your humble corresondent, watching the auto de fe atop a Diebold machine, is in the [brackets]:
Blaming widespread "faulty" voting machines is bad for Democrats. It is bad for Democrats on so many levels. One it disenfranchise Democrats. This idea of blaming it on BBV puts down people. It makes people helpless and makes them give up.
[And could you give up some money for Bev Harris? She is just $10 away from discovering vote fraud. Continue verging on slight reality DUmmie ProudToBeLiberal…]
I already see the evil tentacles of BBV grabbing hold of people on DU.
[The evil tentacles of the Rovian Octopus spread far and wide. Hee! Hee! Continue…]
We have to accept responsibility that we lost, not because of some "widespread faulty voting machines" but that the other side outplayed us in campaigning. We just have to try harder.
[HERETIC! For this blatant violation of the DUmmie Faith, I sentence you to be burned at the stake, DUmmie ProudToBeLiberal!!!]
Don't let this notion of BBV take away your motivation and your will to win.
[The Diebold machines are already set and ready for the 2006 elections so why bother voting. And now let us watch your fellow DUmmies burn you at the stake for your extreme heresy, DUmmie ProudToBeLiberal.]
Where I helped in Sandusky OH, botched recount, a person on the BOE there said the touch screen machines (used in other places) should all be smashed! He knew they were no good. Paper ballots, hand counted at the precinct level, is the only way to restore faith in the Democratic process.
[And yet the liberals just after the 2000 election were all screaming for those touch screen machines. Go figure.]
It's not our responsibility to accept "that we lost". America lost. We need to step up and DEMAND ACCOUNTABILITY FOR ELECTION FRAUD/THEFT.
[Yes. Do that. Such demands always provide great comedy material for the DUmmie FUnnies. Would you like an autographed copy of the DUmmie FUnnies book (with CD-ROM insert for the related comix stories)?]
Sorry, But It's Not Who Votes But Who COUNTS THE VOTES. there is only one reason for these machines to suck so bad. Now, we just have to figure a way to PROVE it in a court of law.
[That part of proving it in a court of law does tend to be an annoying little detail.]
I'm arguing that blaming on some abstract idea is bad for Democrats, as the reason stated above.
[Yes. It makes the Democrats look like tinfoil hat conspiracy loons which is why they should continue with the BBV shtick.]
Shhh.....let's pretend it didn't happen. Let's be good little Dems now!
[Yes. Be good little Democrats and accept the results of Diebold…with Karl Rove working the dials behind the machine curtains.]
Nothings wrong with wanting a paper trail. I actually advocate a paper trail; however, some people go beyond that by blaming the loss of the presidential election on "widespread faulty voting machines." We have to take responsibilty that we lost because the other side campaigned better than us.
[Okay, DUmmie ProudToBeLiberal. I’ve tolerated your heresy long enough and have been holding this in thus far. However, you have gone far beyond the bounds of irrational thought so here goes: LOUSY FREEPER TROLL!!!]
No... we lost the election because FL and OH were stolen. The machines weren't "faulty", they were rigged. And those who refuse to see it still think the earth is flat. Eventually this will all come out.
[Bev Harris is just $10 away from bringing this out. Send money. NOW!!!]
oh now they are "rigged"...So according to you Dean's 50 state strategy doesn't matter because the voting machines are rigged. according to you voting doesn't matter because the voting machines are rigged. according to you contributing and campaigning doesn't matter because the voting machines are rigged. According to you we just give up participating in civic and political life because the it doesn't matter the voting machines are rigged. We should just sit on our lazy asses and watch the sun go around the world. I see. Now I know what this BBV is all about.
[No, DUmmie ProudToBeLiberal. You should sit on your lazy asses in front of your computer screens and rage loudly into the night as is now being done.]
Do some more homework; your idealism will be seriously challenged. We ALL must work to stop the counting of votes and the control of election technology and processes, by private corporations in thrall to the radical right wealth in the USA. My two Euros...
[And here is a $3 bill in change.]
Oh I see people with different viewpoints don't matter no wonder people think Democrats are elitist. I on the otherhand welsome other views AND disgreements. Political discourse makes the world go round. When the day comes that a single voice is stifled that will be the day when democracy ends.
[You sound entirely too rational, DUmmie ProudToBeLiberal. Let the Tombstoning ceremony begin!]
hush up the fact bush stole election, dont want to depress dem? is that it. well. k. lets all be quiet, lke i told myself prior to this election, they stole 2000, she just dont think about it and maybe they wont do it 2004. oops, they did. k pretend it didnt happen to not depress the dem vote,...........for 2006???? nope. truth has to be told. lite of the day. gotta be fix, or we dont win
[When will the English translation of your rant be available, DUmmie seabeyond?]
There's the risk that Democrats will fail to work in future elections feeling it is futile.
[It is futile. ALL your Diebolds belong to US.]
Locking. This has digressed into a flamefest.
[Spoilsport Moderator! DUmmie flamefests are FUN to watch. Now where am I going to roast my weenies and marshmallows?]
[...Now, we just have to figure a way to PROVE it in a court of law.]
Wait a minute. I thought that DUmmies Andy Stephenson and Truth Is All had IRREFUTABLE EVIDENCE that the election was stolen. And Bev! Don't forget Bev. What's that? You mean you DON'T have the evidence? I guess you should have sent that last $10 to Bev for her BBV research, slacker.
"...and watch the sun go around the world..."
Now I KNOW the DUmmies live in an alternate universe! Wonder what color the sky is there? How many moons do they have?
For it to happen, the DUmmies would have to get up off their rear-ends and hustle some work.
And second, any investigations of past voting and election fraud would inevitably betray the massive scale of.....Democratic fraud throughout the years.
I don't believe, and never have believed, for a second that George Bush won Florida in 2000 by only 537 (or whatever it was) votes; given past voting trends in Florida going back to 1948, what with Florida slowly turning more and more Republican (with slight dips whenever a southerner headed the Democratic ticket), if all the votes in Florida in 2000 would have been honestly counted, I suspect that there was no question George Bush had carried the state, by a moderately-wide margin.
Add to that the election commissioners of Florida, one for each county. Uh, how many of those in 2000 were Republican? One? Out of what? Seventy or eighty counties? Democratic election commissioners fraudulently twisted the vote to elect Republican George Bush in 2000? Huh?
Odd, that the DUmmie Andy Stephenson, who is currently soliciting among DUmmies for funds so as to attention an "election fraud rally" down in Tennessee, has been utterly silent about election fraud in his own neighborhood (investigation of which would entail no airline travel, no deluxe hotel stay), Washington state.
The DUmmie Andy Stephenson--and he was once a candidate for secretary of state in Washington--could do a whole lot to advance the cause of honest voting, right there in his own neighborhood, with no travel expenses at all.
I say all this knowing in advance that about 25-33% of the "views" of the DUmmie FUnnies are DUmmies lurking in Free Republic, and it is directed at those DUmmies.
The next time the DUmmie Andy Stephenson starts a fund-raiser in DUmmieland (really, I am surprised the Grand DUmmie "Skinner" allows such a thing), suggest that he check out his own backyard. Since he lives right there, in the middle of all of that election fraud, he doesn't need any $$$$ from DUmmies, to investigate that fraud.
[It's not our responsibility to accept "that we lost".]
Please tell me that this wasn't the same DUmmie who, only yesterday, was writing about the Freepers' supposed inability to accept reality and be a little bit flexible.
Can I get an AMEN?????
Yeah, there couldn't possibly be cheating when you hand recount!
[Now wait just a dang minute! Are you, are you trying to say...that Jean Francois had a *gasp* PLAN?
Now WHY didn't he just come out and tell us that????]
Oh, the "Poodle" had a plan, all right. But remember, he said he couldn't tell us what it was unless we elected him. Guess we'll never know. <*sigh*>
DUmmie Way (or what they often say about Freepers)
You must do the afternoon edition on the DU pope bashing.
Speaking of 1948 -- Do the words "Lyndon Johnson" and "Ballot Box 13" mean anything to you ?
Amen, and amen.
Number 5 is just plain WRONG!! How can you move in with Mom when you never moved out to begin with??
He needs to be banned from the DU. How dare someone bring logic to a thread. Emotional driven misrepresentation of facts are the norm on DU. If the thread starter keeps this up he/she will soon become ProudToBeEX-Liberal.
[Speaking of 1948 -- Do the words "Lyndon Johnson" and "Ballot Box 13" mean anything to you ?]
No, they don't. Fill me in, please.
PJ! Please do a double issue post of the DUmmies and their comments on the new Pope!
Here is a link to "Texas Bandits". The story behind Lyndon Johnson's 1948 Senate run. Note that the fraud is in the Democrat primary (dang criminals can't even run their own primary without cheating).
http://www.eiu.edu/~historia/1999/texas99.htm
Good grief! Is that what they call a flamefest? I've seen way worse in the smoking discussion threads in FR.
It makes them feel big to call dollars euros. Makes the other DUmmies think they are French or English or something. A real status symbol. I bet that DUmmie is in his mama's basement or garage in Pittsburg or San Francisco or somewhere similar.
Now there you go again! Letting silly things like facts get in the way of the DUmmies tin foil hat theories!
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