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Freepers Help Me! Is the Draft Possible?
September 17,2004 | Wonderama

Posted on 09/17/2004 6:40:43 PM PDT by Wonderama

Hi fellow Freepers. I just got this e-mail from one of my misguided Liberal Dem friends. I don't know how to answer this, because, I don't know if it's true. Does anyone out there have some info on this? Is it a Democratic dirty trick, playing on the fears of mothers everywhere? I would love to reply to my friend with some concrete information. I know Israel has a mandatory draft, and it's a good thing, but I'm not sure how well it would go over here in USA.

Your help my lovable pj bloggers, is desperatly needed.


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KEYWORDS: afghanistan; conscription; democrats; draft; elvisbinladen; iraq; military; militaryservice; propaganda; republican; urbanlegend; war; waronterror
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To: Wonderama

Ok look here are the guys pushing this:

Mr. RANGEL DEMOCRAT - NY
Mr. MCDERMOTT DEMOCRAT-WA
Mr. CONYERS DEMOCRAT-MI
Mr. LEWIS of Georgia DEMOCRAT-GA
Mr. STARK DEMOCRAT-CA
Mr. ABERCROMBIE DEMOCRAT - Hawaii

Notice something? All Democrats



61 posted on 09/17/2004 6:58:39 PM PDT by trashcanbred (Anti-social and anti-socialist)
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To: Wonderama

You only have to worry if Hanoi John French Kerry and his good friend, the sponsor of the bill, Democrat Congressman Charlie Rangle, are elected. Vote W and you'll be fine :)


62 posted on 09/17/2004 6:58:53 PM PDT by Steven W.
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To: Wonderama
but I'm not sure how well it would go over here in USA.

I could care less how it "goes over in the USA".

Two years of mandatory service in the armed forces should be not only required but should be a prerequisite for the right to vote.

The greatest growth in population in the last ten years has been from recent immigrants who have no sense of identity with America. (Source: US Census Bureau).

Even fourth and fifth generation American kids are graduating from high school who don't know one damn thing about American history--they don't teach it.

Make two years of service mandatory. Raise the voting age to 25, install a poll test for intelligence and make an exception for all veterans that they have the right to vote immediately after their honorable discharge.

63 posted on 09/17/2004 7:03:30 PM PDT by Dont_Tread_On_Me_888 (John Kerry--three fake Purple Hearts. George Bush--one real heart of gold.)
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To: bellas_sister

save for later


64 posted on 09/17/2004 7:03:34 PM PDT by bellas_sister
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To: SFC Chromey
Assuming you'd be increasing the size of the military with said draft, you'd also have to increase the number of bases and military units. This would require more equipment, be it personal, team or unit, and more funds for everything. You'd need to shift experienced people to these new units, and have them train up the NUGs (new useless guys). This is not a trivial undertaking.

In short, a lot would have to happen, and there's no sign of any of it happening now. Even if the signs started to appear, it would take years to start units from scratch and make them combat effective by today's standards.

(p.s. I for one am glad you didn't get the T-shirt. Every time I see a 'Who's your Bagh-daddy' T-shirt, I feel embarassed for the guy wearing it.)

65 posted on 09/17/2004 7:05:01 PM PDT by Steel Wolf (Don't make me roll initiative...!)
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To: Wonderama
I think both Bush and Cheney realize, as I do, that it's best to draft them by the time they are four years old and get them off to boot camp. You want to train them properly while they are in their formative years.

Now if they could just get the military heirarchy (who want no draft whatsoever), and the electorate (that literate 96% that knows a draft is counterproductive) and the congress (that will have no part of it) to go along, we'll be on to something.

At least we know that Al Sharpton wants a draft so the military can make the world safe for Tawana Brawley.

66 posted on 09/17/2004 7:09:13 PM PDT by stevem
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To: SLB

The GOP tactic is to point at the Rangel/whatever bill and say that proves no draft is in the GOP's plans. But, I've been predicting this for years. Before I stopped paying money for The Wussy Standard, they ran a constant drumbeat of columns about how we MUST increase the size of the military ... yet were always very vague on HOW to do it. That, coupled with the mind-numbing "Patriotism!" "National Greatness!" agitprop there and in TNR, makes you just KNOW where the neocons stand. Jeez, they're on record for Clinton's national service crap already.

The question is, "How much influence do these effeminate warmongers still have in the White House?"


67 posted on 09/17/2004 7:09:51 PM PDT by PaleoPal
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To: Wonderama
I am the officially appointed coordinator for the Selective Service at my high school. I coordinate getting all eligible young MALE seniors registered by the time they graduate. I am kept informed of all plans (there haven't been any "Heads Up" messages, ever) by the federal government. it would take a minimujm of two-three years for a full blown DRAFT to be up and running. I'm not saying it will never be done. War is kinda hard on the participants, after all. Thanks to the RATS our armed forces were at an all time low both in terms of morale and personnel when GWB assumed the office. So it is a possibility that if our military committments have to expand measureably, we'll need a fairly big boost all at once. But it wouldn't have to be a full on permanent draft, only enough (perhaps) to meet the short term requirements.
68 posted on 09/17/2004 7:10:40 PM PDT by ExSoldier (When the going gets tough, the tough go cyclic.)
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To: trashcanbred; Wonderama
Notice something? All Democrats

Notice something else? Charlie Rangel is, like, the most conservative RAT on that list. Unbelievble as that seems.

Stark, McDermott, and Conyers? ANSWER's pet Congressmen? Holy Ike!

Wonderama, I hope you and your buddies have big, long email lists...

69 posted on 09/17/2004 7:14:15 PM PDT by hellinahandcart
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To: RWR8189
Do not forget, the Selective Service law is still in effect. Males aged 18 must register with the Selective Service.

Usually such registration occurs at Post Offices.

As other have discussed, the Selective Service (draft) is not currently active in the call up of men, but can be activated in time of a national emergency.

From the Selective Service System "Board Member Information Booklet:

The Mission of the Selective Service is to provide manpower to the Department of Defense for military service in the event of a national emergency declared by the Congress or the President....

It would APPEAR from that, that further enacting legislation is not required, but that the draft could be initiated upon declaration of a National Emergency.

(I used the weasel word "appear" as I don't have time to pull down the copy of the act over dial up.)

The act is at http://www.sss.gov/PDFs/MSSA-2003.pdf

If someone else has interest and a faster connection.
70 posted on 09/17/2004 7:14:21 PM PDT by garyb
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To: GVgirl; Wonderama

Rangel is a big-mouth and a race-baiter.

In an interview about this bill, he implied that he wanted to see the Bush twins drafted.


71 posted on 09/17/2004 7:20:20 PM PDT by Ludicrous
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To: Wonderama

Troll!!!!!!


72 posted on 09/17/2004 7:20:49 PM PDT by aft_lizard (I actually voted for John Kerry before I voted against him)
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6027815/ The Dems are spreading the fear on the campaign trail


73 posted on 09/17/2004 7:26:47 PM PDT by tapatio (Society is always taken by surprise at any new example of common sense.)
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To: Steel Wolf

LOL, yea I didn't want one of those dumb a** shirts...now if there was a Hard Rock Cafe Baghdad shirt that would have fit in well with my HR Cafe Bosnia and Budapest shirts!


74 posted on 09/17/2004 7:28:40 PM PDT by SFC Chromey (I went to Iraq and I didn't even get the t-shirt)
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To: Wonderama

1. Have you registered for a draft?
2. Is there a selective service administration? www.sss.gov
3. Are the democrats going to take power in the November election?

If you can answer no to any of those questions, you should be OK for now.


75 posted on 09/17/2004 7:41:07 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: marmar

Your right it would it would be total FUBAR!!


76 posted on 09/17/2004 8:13:16 PM PDT by Empireoftheatom48 (God bless our troops!! Our President and those who fight against the awful commie, liberal left!!)
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To: Wonderama

ANYTHING is possible! .....except truth from a democrat


77 posted on 09/18/2004 5:21:03 AM PDT by Hot Tabasco (After 30+ years dealing with idiots, I still haven't earned the right to just shoot them.....)
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To: DaveMSmith
Osama will be killed again.


78 posted on 09/18/2004 5:27:24 AM PDT by ASA Vet (Tourette's syndrome is just a $&#$*!% excuse for poor *%$#** language skills.)
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To: Wonderama

The daily routine of a working PR man, Hubbard wrote, consisted of

[b]ribing newspapermen and "free lance writers" to write horrible lies about a competitor, bribing or lying to Congressmen or ministers or members of Parliament to get a law passed to enable a fast buck to be made and countering the ploys of the other firm's PR ...

PR could properly be described as a partially workable technique that was capable of changing "states of mind in different types of audiences or publics." In this regard, it could sometime be misused. To prevent this sort of misuse, Hubbard wrote that he had done further study on the subject in order to "find out what was wrong with it."

His findings were that PR was dangerous, was prone to failure and could be turned against one by the competition.


79 posted on 09/18/2004 5:34:50 AM PDT by Rome2000 (The ENEMY for Kerry!!!!!)
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To: Wonderama
These are the card carrying members of the Democratic Socialists of America's Progressive Caucus, a group of UNPATRIOTIC UNAMERICAN subversives that are actively engaged in overthrowing the capitalist system of government in the USA and transforming it into a socialist nation.

"Progressive" is a code word for socialist, note that Sanders of VT is an officer.

Why these people are allowed to get on national TV and not disclose or be asked by the press reagrding their membership in a socialist organization is beyond me.

The table below was downloaded from the Democratic Socialists of America

Members of the Progressive Caucus


officers
Member/Position/District
Address Phone Website
Peter DeFazio
(OFFICER, OREGON-04)
2134 RHOB 225-6416 WEBSITE
Dennis Kucinich (Chairman)
(CHAIR, OHIO-10)
1730 LHOB 225-5871 WEBSITE
Barbara Lee (Vice Chair)
(OFFICER, CALIFORNIA-09)
426 CHOB 225-2661 WEBSITE
Cynthia McKinney
(OFFICER, GEORGIA-04)
124 CHOB 225-1605 WEBSITE
Major Owens
(OFFICER, NEW YORK-11)
2309 RHOB 225-6231 WEBSITE
Bernie Sanders
(OFFICER, VERMONT)
2135 RHOB 225-4115 WEBSITE
Paul Wellstone
(OFFICER, MINNESOTA)
136 HSOB 224-5641 WEBSITE

members
Member/Position/District
Address Phone Website
Neil Abercrombie
(MEMBER, HAWAII-01)
1502 LHOB 225-2726 WEBSITE
Tammy Baldwin
(MEMBER, WISCONSIN-02)
1022 LHOB 225-2906 WEBSITE
Xavier Becerra
(MEMBER, CALIFORNIA-30)
1119 LHOB 225-6235 WEBSITE
David Bonior
(MEMBER, MICHIGAN-10)
2207 RHOB 225-2106 WEBSITE
Corrine Brown
(MEMBER, FLORIDA-03)
2444 RHOB 225-0123 WEBSITE
Sherrod Brown
(MEMBER, OHIO-13)
2438 RHOB 225-3401 WEBSITE
Michael Capuano
(MEMBER, MASSACHUSETTS-08)
1232 LHOB 225-5111 WEBSITE
Julia Carson
(MEMBER, INDIANA-10)
1339 LHOB 225-4011 WEBSITE
William "Lacy" Clay
(MEMBER, MISSOURI-01)
415 CHOB 225-2406 WEBSITE
John Conyers
(MEMBER, MICHIGAN-14)
2426 RHOB 225-5126 WEBSITE
Danny Davis
(MEMBER, ILLINOIS-07)
1222 LHOB 225-5006 WEBSITE
Rosa DeLauro
(MEMBER, CONNECTICUT-03)
2262 RHOB 225-3661 WEBSITE
Lane Evans
(MEMBER, ILLINOIS-17)
2211 RHOB 225-5905 WEBSITE
Eni Faleomavaega
(MEMBER, AMERICAN SAMOA)
2422 RHOB 225-8577 WEBSITE
Sam Farr
(MEMBER, CALIFORNIA-17)
1221 LHOB 225-2861 WEBSITE
Chaka Fattah
(MEMBER, PENNSYLVANIA-02)
1205 LHOB 225-4001 WEBSITE
Bob Filner
(MEMBER, CALIFORNIA-50)
2463 RHOB 225-8045 WEBSITE
Barney Frank
(MEMBER, MASSACHUSETTS-04)
2252 RHOB 225-5931 WEBSITE
Luis Gutierrez
(MEMBER, ILLINOIS-04)
2452 RHOB 225-8203 WEBSITE
Earl Hilliard
(MEMBER, ALABAMA-07)
1314 LHOB 225-2665 WEBSITE
Maurice Hinchey
(MEMBER, NEW YORK-26)
2431 RHOB 225-6335 WEBSITE
Jesse Jackson, Jr
(MEMBER, ILLINOIS-02)
313 CHOB 225-0773
Sheila Jackson-Lee
(MEMBER, TEXAS-18)
403 CHOB 225-3816 WEBSITE
Stephanie Tubbs Jones
(MEMBER, OHIO-11)
1516 LHOB 225-7032 WEBSITE
Marcy Kaptur
(MEMBER, OHIO-09)
2366 RHOB 225-4146 WEBSITE
Tom Lantos
(MEMBER, CALIFORNIA-12)
2217 RHOB 225-3531 WEBSITE
John Lewis
(MEMBER, GEORGIA-05)
343 CHOB 225-3801 WEBSITE
Jim McDermott
(MEMBER, WASHINGTON-07)
1035 LHOB 225-3106 WEBSITE
James P. McGovern
(MEMBER, MASSACHUSETTS-03)
430 CHOB 225-6101 WEBSITE
Carrie Meek
(MEMBER, FLORIDA-17)
2433 RHOB 225-4506 WEBSITE
George Miller
(MEMBER, CALIFORNIA-07)
2205 RHOB 225-2095 WEBSITE
Patsy Mink
(MEMBER, HAWAII-02)
2210 RHOB 225-4906 WEBSITE
Jerry Nadler
(MEMBER, NEW YORK-08)
2334 RHOB 225-5635 WEBSITE
Eleanor Holmes Norton
(MEMBER, D.C.)
2136 RHOB 225-8050 WEBSITE
John Olver
(MEMBER, MASSACHUSETTS-01)
1027 LHOB 225-5335 WEBSITE
Ed Pastor
(MEMBER, ARIZONA-02)
2465 RHOB 225-4065 WEBSITE
Donald Payne
(MEMBER, NEW JERSEY-10)
2209 RHOB 225-3436 WEBSITE
Nancy Pelosi
(MEMBER, CALIFORNIA-08)
2457 RHOB 225-4965 WEBSITE
Bobby Rush
(MEMBER, ILLINOIS-01)
2416 RHOB 225-4372 WEBSITE
Jan Schakowsky
(MEMBER, ILLINOIS-09)
515 CHOB 225-2111 WEBSITE
Jose Serrano
(MEMBER, NEW YORK-16)
2342 RHOB 225-4361 WEBSITE
Hilda Solis
(MEMBER, CALIFORNIA-31)
1641 LHOB 225-5464 WEBSITE
Pete Stark
(MEMBER, CALIFORNIA-13)
239 CHOB 225-5065 WEBSITE
Bennie Thompson
(MEMBER, MISSISSIPPI-02)
2432 RHOB 225-5876 WEBSITE
John Tierney
(MEMBER, MASSACHUSETTS-06)
120 CHOB 225-8020 WEBSITE
Tom Udall
(MEMBER, NEW MEXICO-03)
502 CHOB 225-6190 WEBSITE
Nydia Velazquez
(MEMBER, NEW YORK-12)
2241 RHOB 225-2361 WEBSITE
Maxine Waters
(MEMBER, CALIFORNIA-35)
2344 RHOB 225-2201 WEBSITE
Diane Watson
(MEMBER, CALIFORNIA-32)
2413 RHOB 225-7084 WEBSITE
Mel Watt
(MEMBER, NORTH CAROLINA-12)
2236 RHOB 225-1510 WEBSITE
Henry Waxman
(MEMBER, CALIFORNIA-29)
2204 RHOB 225-3976 WEBSITE
Lynn Woolsey
(MEMBER, CALIFORNIA-06)
2263 RHOB 225-5161 WEBSITE



Congressional Progressive Caucus

80 posted on 09/18/2004 5:36:38 AM PDT by Rome2000 (The ENEMY for Kerry!!!!!)
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