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Why I Am Now Behind Arnold
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Posted on 08/12/2003 9:52:14 AM PDT by DrMartinVonNostrand

I have slowly come to the conclusion that California needs Arnold. Republicans need Arnold, and above all, California Republicans need Arnold.

I had been leaning towards McClintock, and I must admit, I made that decision before Arnold threw his hat into the ring. I welcomed the move when he did, but I still had reservations. I had gotten pretty excited over McClintock's vision, particularly his desire to void the Davis energy contracts and his general desire to stick it to the Democrats. I was also justifiably concerned at first about Arnold's talk of handing the treasury over to "the children".

But one has to be able to discern politics from policy. Everyone who wants to win elective office has to pay lipservice to "the children". It is the national passtime of politicians. I think when Arnold says "the children should have the first call of state Treasury" it is followed by an unspoken qualifier of "before illegal immigrants, welfare recipients, and special interests." He is simply putting forth his priorities, and they lay in stark contrast to Gray Davis and Cruz Bustamante's. He is quite savvy, so he isn't going to come out and say it in those words. He knows highlighting what is his priorities gets much better press than highlighting what isn't. He wants to reassure the soccer moms who have been frightened by Davis' threats of cutting funding to schools that he will be looking elsewhere to cut.

Arnold is very mindful of the hurdles he faces by running as a Republican in such a liberal state, so he will take extra measures to make traditional Democratic voters feel comfortable voting for him. It is what he has to do right now if he wants to win, and it seems to be working brilliantly.

Some conservatives will argue against Schwarzenegger because he opposed the impeachment of Bill Clinton. But Arnold understood the articles of impeachment that were brought were a pretty weak justification. Right or wrong, they were too easily construed as a right-wing lynching. He recognized it as too divisive and knew it could only further poison the political atmosphere and ultimately damage the Republican party.

Perhaps if Ken Starr had the convictions to pursue the serious matters of Whitewater, Chinagate, Filegate, or the murder of Vincent Foster, then Arnold would have seen it differently, just as the rest of America would have. But clearly Starr had no will to do so. It's hard to understand why, but perhaps he didn't want to expose that level of corruption in the highest office out of the long-term best interest of the American political system. Exposing Clinton's ties to the Dixieland mafia and Red China could have brought the entire government to its knees. It would have been a short-term victory for Republicans, but just as Nixon understood when he covered for Kennedy and Johnson over the Pentagon Papers, the long-term damage to the nation as a whole would have been far too great. Anyways, had Clinton actually been removed from office as a lame duck on those flimsy charges, we would have a President Gore in office right now. Arnold knew, just as everyone else did, that this was not going to happen considering it required a two-thirds majority in the Senate. Surely he understood that impeachment was a lose-lose proposition for Republicans so it was a mistake to go down that road. It was important for him to remain above it all for the sake of his own political future.

Some will argue that what we need right now is someone sort of financial wizard to fix the budget, and Arnold just doesn't qualify. But the truth is we really only need someone who can admit that Gray Davis has made some huge mistakes. Anyone but Gray Davis will do.

I hate to admit it, but the whole budget crisis is being about as overplayed for political reasons as the federal deficit in the '90s was (and is again). When it comes down to brass tacks, I think even the Democrats will bite the bullet and fix it. Yes, I know you're cringing, I am too, but it's the truth. The issue here isn't that the Democrats are incapable or even unwilling to fixing the budget. It's merely about how they want to fix it: the usual liberal approach of skyrocketing taxes. Either way, California isn't going to drop into the ocean or become a third world nation.

As far as Arnold not being a "social conservative", neither am I, and neither is California. A social conservative is not going to win a statewide election here for a long time to come. I fit in more along the lines of a fiscal conservative, just as Arnold is, and a "Constitutional conservative" with libertarian tendencies. Piety is not a prerequisite for my support, and too much of it may even lose it. I don't begrudge anyone their religious beliefs, but I do belive strongly in Jefferson's "wall of seperation between church and state". I also believe in strict interpritation of the First Ammendment, and that freedom of religion also entails freedom from religion. I realize those of you in the religious-right do not agree because this doesn't reinforce your personal religious beliefs, but not everything should be about our own personal whims and narrow agendas. Defending our own freedom as individuals must always be a higher objective. Otherwise it may be you they come for next. The Constitution protects everyone, or it protects no one. I think there are a lot of people on both extremes who forget that sometimes.

Even though some will say for these various reasons that Schwarzenegger is not the ideal conservative candidate, it is important for everyone to be pragmatic and pick their battles wisely. Right now we should be looking at long-term goals. An expedient victory in the recall of a conservative candidate by a 20 percent plurality is going to be counterproductive in the long-term. What are you going to do when Bill Simon is elected and the drive to recall him begins October 8th and qualifies three weeks later?

Electing Arnold, who can come to office with a true mandate and bring California together, will pay off big in the perception wars. Conservatives will never get their agenda anywhere in California as long as it is taboo to even vote for Republicans here. The longer Democrats have a complete lock on the state, the further left we will drift. Even if Arnold can't change the course right away, he can at least slow the momentum.

Personally, my goal is the destruction of the Democratic party and the liberal agenda far more than it is advancing any conservative single-issue. I have far more hate for left-wing Democrats than I have love for right-wing Republicans. I would be happy simply with a return to sanity at this point.

You can't walk a mile until you take the first step. For right now we all need to be concentrating on the jouney one step at a time or we will never reach the final destination. You have to at least open the door, which is now closed and locked here. It seems like a lot of right-wingers around here would rather rant and rave and pound on the door in futility than grab it by the handle.

I think I've finally figured that one out. For the death-before-electibility crowd, it's not about advancing their cause on earth, it's about earning a place in heaven.

As for the rest of us, we have to make a decision: do we want a small victory, or a huge defeat?


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KEYWORDS: 1eternalvignotincali; california; davis; election; governor; guessmyotherid; imatroll; mcclintock; recall; schwarzenegger; schwarzenutter
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To: EternalVigilance
Ah excuse me, but Grey Davis has had no effect on me or most Georgians. he has been governor for over four years.
461 posted on 08/12/2003 9:38:41 PM PDT by nyconse
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To: nyconse
Actually in California, Pubbies are split down the middle on abortion. I suspect there is a majority among Pubbies for a moderate policy restricting some abortions in California, but will that would be thin beer for some around here.
462 posted on 08/12/2003 9:38:52 PM PDT by Torie
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To: nyconse
No, I am not kidding.
463 posted on 08/12/2003 9:39:07 PM PDT by Torie
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To: Torie
I never knew that. Boy you learn something new every day on this forum. Can you explain how and why Reagan did this. I thought Reagan was pro-life all the way.
464 posted on 08/12/2003 9:40:40 PM PDT by nyconse
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To: nyconse
Constitutional law, science and medicine have dramatically changed since Ronald Reagan was Governor of California. But a major law involving fundamental reproductive rights remains frozen in time. California’s Therapeutic Abortion Act appears in our statute books exactly as Governor Reagan signed it in 1967.

A progressive measure 35 years ago, the Therapeutic Abortion Act now is archaic, confusing, and unconstitutional. A lawyer researching the Health and Safety Code today would read that abortion is legal only if a hospital committee determines that the pregnancy will gravely impair a woman’s physical or mental health or a District Attorney concludes that the pregnancy probably resulted from rape or incest. Health and Safety Code Sections 123405, 123407.

465 posted on 08/12/2003 9:41:00 PM PDT by Hillary's Lovely Legs (a 'true conservative' would rather keep Davis than elect Arnold just so they can say 'I told you so')
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To: Torie
I think parental notification is really important. I recall that Arnold was for this (not sure).
466 posted on 08/12/2003 9:41:48 PM PDT by nyconse
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To: nyconse
Ah excuse me, but Grey Davis has had no effect on me or most Georgians. he has been governor for over four years.

There is an old adage that says, 'as goes California, so goes the nation'. There is more than a little truth in that.

467 posted on 08/12/2003 9:42:19 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: nyconse
Reagan "changed" his mind later, as the issue became more partisan, and he had national ambitions. Bush pere "changed" his mind too. Gephardt "changed" his mind. Politics is sort of like watching sausage being made.
468 posted on 08/12/2003 9:42:33 PM PDT by Torie
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To: Torie
I would give you odds that Schwarzenegger, given the political pressures of actually being in the arena, will 'change' as well.

How much is an open question.
469 posted on 08/12/2003 9:44:20 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: nyconse
I suspect the current SCOTUS would strike down parental notification. Some state supreme courts use their own constitutions to strike it down.
470 posted on 08/12/2003 9:44:27 PM PDT by Torie
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To: nyconse

471 posted on 08/12/2003 9:44:36 PM PDT by Hillary's Lovely Legs (a 'true conservative' would rather keep Davis than elect Arnold just so they can say 'I told you so')
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To: Hillary's Lovely Legs
Ok, I can see why he did this. Reagan was very compassionate. He wanted to help victims of rape and incest. Of course if I know doctors, they immediately used this law to perform abortion using the "mental" paragraph: a woman who couldn't get an abortion would be destroyed emotionally. Sad-abortion caused anguish-at least for the people I know that have had one.
472 posted on 08/12/2003 9:45:01 PM PDT by nyconse
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To: 2rightsleftcoast
If everyone who was for McClintock actually voted for the man he would win! This "I like him but he can't win" is completely self defeating. He can win if people vote for the best candidate for the job.
473 posted on 08/12/2003 9:45:08 PM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah (The 12th Republican Commandment: "Thou shalt not alienate thy base")
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To: Hillary's Lovely Legs
Love it; I agree-The important thing is to get rid of Davis and install a Republican in the Governor's mansion-yeah!
474 posted on 08/12/2003 9:46:30 PM PDT by nyconse
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To: Hillary's Lovely Legs
Nice.
475 posted on 08/12/2003 9:46:31 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (A 'true conservative' will never vote for anti-life, anti-freedom candidates ever...)
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To: Hillary's Lovely Legs
There were a huge number of abortions performed in California under the Act signed by Reagan pre Roe v Wade. That data combined with NY, and two other states, was used by some academics (one from Stanford) to write a paper arguing that abortion reduces crime rates. I posted that article a couple of years ago on this very site.
476 posted on 08/12/2003 9:47:27 PM PDT by Torie
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To: RS
NO conservative can or will get elected....the Dems will eat them alive.....but they won't butt heads too hard with Arnold.
477 posted on 08/12/2003 9:47:29 PM PDT by Ann Archy
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah
It seems as if most people who support McClintock do not live in California and thus can not vote.
478 posted on 08/12/2003 9:47:32 PM PDT by nyconse
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To: Kevin Curry; nyconse
Kevin, I see you didn't even bother to read my links...and you statement has no documentation...

America has had legal abortion on request since 1973. Before legalization, abortion complications accounted for 23% of all pregnancy-related admissions to municipal hospitals in New York City. After legalization, that number fell by 75% almost immediately, and continued to fall through the 70's and 80's. Today, the complication rate for early abortion in the United States is less than 1%, and the maternal mortality rate is .6 per 100,000 abortions.

See also below link, yes abortions were legal in California and New York before Roe v Wade and are likely IMO to be so if Roe changes, much ado about nothing.....

http://www.plannedparenthood.org/library/ABORTION/HealthBenef.html

479 posted on 08/12/2003 9:48:40 PM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: nyconse
I support McClintock and live in California. Confusing isn't it?
480 posted on 08/12/2003 9:48:47 PM PDT by Torie
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