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Why I Am Now Behind Arnold
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Posted on 08/12/2003 9:52:14 AM PDT by DrMartinVonNostrand

I have slowly come to the conclusion that California needs Arnold. Republicans need Arnold, and above all, California Republicans need Arnold.

I had been leaning towards McClintock, and I must admit, I made that decision before Arnold threw his hat into the ring. I welcomed the move when he did, but I still had reservations. I had gotten pretty excited over McClintock's vision, particularly his desire to void the Davis energy contracts and his general desire to stick it to the Democrats. I was also justifiably concerned at first about Arnold's talk of handing the treasury over to "the children".

But one has to be able to discern politics from policy. Everyone who wants to win elective office has to pay lipservice to "the children". It is the national passtime of politicians. I think when Arnold says "the children should have the first call of state Treasury" it is followed by an unspoken qualifier of "before illegal immigrants, welfare recipients, and special interests." He is simply putting forth his priorities, and they lay in stark contrast to Gray Davis and Cruz Bustamante's. He is quite savvy, so he isn't going to come out and say it in those words. He knows highlighting what is his priorities gets much better press than highlighting what isn't. He wants to reassure the soccer moms who have been frightened by Davis' threats of cutting funding to schools that he will be looking elsewhere to cut.

Arnold is very mindful of the hurdles he faces by running as a Republican in such a liberal state, so he will take extra measures to make traditional Democratic voters feel comfortable voting for him. It is what he has to do right now if he wants to win, and it seems to be working brilliantly.

Some conservatives will argue against Schwarzenegger because he opposed the impeachment of Bill Clinton. But Arnold understood the articles of impeachment that were brought were a pretty weak justification. Right or wrong, they were too easily construed as a right-wing lynching. He recognized it as too divisive and knew it could only further poison the political atmosphere and ultimately damage the Republican party.

Perhaps if Ken Starr had the convictions to pursue the serious matters of Whitewater, Chinagate, Filegate, or the murder of Vincent Foster, then Arnold would have seen it differently, just as the rest of America would have. But clearly Starr had no will to do so. It's hard to understand why, but perhaps he didn't want to expose that level of corruption in the highest office out of the long-term best interest of the American political system. Exposing Clinton's ties to the Dixieland mafia and Red China could have brought the entire government to its knees. It would have been a short-term victory for Republicans, but just as Nixon understood when he covered for Kennedy and Johnson over the Pentagon Papers, the long-term damage to the nation as a whole would have been far too great. Anyways, had Clinton actually been removed from office as a lame duck on those flimsy charges, we would have a President Gore in office right now. Arnold knew, just as everyone else did, that this was not going to happen considering it required a two-thirds majority in the Senate. Surely he understood that impeachment was a lose-lose proposition for Republicans so it was a mistake to go down that road. It was important for him to remain above it all for the sake of his own political future.

Some will argue that what we need right now is someone sort of financial wizard to fix the budget, and Arnold just doesn't qualify. But the truth is we really only need someone who can admit that Gray Davis has made some huge mistakes. Anyone but Gray Davis will do.

I hate to admit it, but the whole budget crisis is being about as overplayed for political reasons as the federal deficit in the '90s was (and is again). When it comes down to brass tacks, I think even the Democrats will bite the bullet and fix it. Yes, I know you're cringing, I am too, but it's the truth. The issue here isn't that the Democrats are incapable or even unwilling to fixing the budget. It's merely about how they want to fix it: the usual liberal approach of skyrocketing taxes. Either way, California isn't going to drop into the ocean or become a third world nation.

As far as Arnold not being a "social conservative", neither am I, and neither is California. A social conservative is not going to win a statewide election here for a long time to come. I fit in more along the lines of a fiscal conservative, just as Arnold is, and a "Constitutional conservative" with libertarian tendencies. Piety is not a prerequisite for my support, and too much of it may even lose it. I don't begrudge anyone their religious beliefs, but I do belive strongly in Jefferson's "wall of seperation between church and state". I also believe in strict interpritation of the First Ammendment, and that freedom of religion also entails freedom from religion. I realize those of you in the religious-right do not agree because this doesn't reinforce your personal religious beliefs, but not everything should be about our own personal whims and narrow agendas. Defending our own freedom as individuals must always be a higher objective. Otherwise it may be you they come for next. The Constitution protects everyone, or it protects no one. I think there are a lot of people on both extremes who forget that sometimes.

Even though some will say for these various reasons that Schwarzenegger is not the ideal conservative candidate, it is important for everyone to be pragmatic and pick their battles wisely. Right now we should be looking at long-term goals. An expedient victory in the recall of a conservative candidate by a 20 percent plurality is going to be counterproductive in the long-term. What are you going to do when Bill Simon is elected and the drive to recall him begins October 8th and qualifies three weeks later?

Electing Arnold, who can come to office with a true mandate and bring California together, will pay off big in the perception wars. Conservatives will never get their agenda anywhere in California as long as it is taboo to even vote for Republicans here. The longer Democrats have a complete lock on the state, the further left we will drift. Even if Arnold can't change the course right away, he can at least slow the momentum.

Personally, my goal is the destruction of the Democratic party and the liberal agenda far more than it is advancing any conservative single-issue. I have far more hate for left-wing Democrats than I have love for right-wing Republicans. I would be happy simply with a return to sanity at this point.

You can't walk a mile until you take the first step. For right now we all need to be concentrating on the jouney one step at a time or we will never reach the final destination. You have to at least open the door, which is now closed and locked here. It seems like a lot of right-wingers around here would rather rant and rave and pound on the door in futility than grab it by the handle.

I think I've finally figured that one out. For the death-before-electibility crowd, it's not about advancing their cause on earth, it's about earning a place in heaven.

As for the rest of us, we have to make a decision: do we want a small victory, or a huge defeat?


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KEYWORDS: 1eternalvignotincali; california; davis; election; governor; guessmyotherid; imatroll; mcclintock; recall; schwarzenegger; schwarzenutter
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To: Torie
What Arnold thinks about abortion will not change minds about this issue either.

No it won't. It will just reinforce the pro-death position.

441 posted on 08/12/2003 9:25:06 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: EternalVigilance
McClintock can not stop abortion-no governor can. Perhaps a Republican in California will help elect more pro-life Repubs to congress thus allowing judges to be confirmed. Abortion is not an issue in the California recall.
442 posted on 08/12/2003 9:25:31 PM PDT by nyconse
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To: EternalVigilance
Let's see if all of a sudden states were given the right to have abortion laws, would all 50 states do so? If not, would one state become the 7-11 of abortions? How about Nevada with legalized prostitution and gambling, think they will outlaw abortion?

And if all 50 states did somehow prohibit abortion, would things go back to the barber shop abortions and those with finances just travel to countries where it is legal? Like any one of over 150 countries? Our neighbor Canada? Over 60% of the world's population lives where abortion is permitted for a wide range of reasons or unrestricted....maybe you should work on the world problem there are a lot more babies to save worldwide than just in the US....we are outsourcing jobs, I guess you want to outsource abortions too, because IMO you won't stop them...

http://www.agi-usa.org/pubs/archives/abortww_nr.html

http://www.prochoiceactionnetwork-canada.org/civilize.html#canada
443 posted on 08/12/2003 9:26:59 PM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: EternalVigilance
If you lose and a Dem is elected what have you gained? If anything you have hurt the pro-life effort which is very important to you and to me.
444 posted on 08/12/2003 9:27:00 PM PDT by nyconse
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To: EternalVigilance
But sir, you are 'doing something about it'. You are helping forward it.

What part of "CONSTITUTIONALLY PROTECTED RIGHT" don't you understand.

Jurists unanimously agree that Roe v. Wade is settled law.
Even "pro-life" judges.

"Pro-life" is just going to have to exist as one option of "pro-choice". No matter who you vote for in any race, it is not going to change that. But I suppose you don't care so long as your vote is registered in heaven...

445 posted on 08/12/2003 9:27:08 PM PDT by DrMartinVonNostrand
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To: nyconse
Perhaps a Republican in California will help elect more pro-life Repubs to congress thus allowing judges to be confirmed.

That is a very big perhaps.

Why would you ever think that a pro-abort is going to do such a thing?

Governors have a tremendous amount of power, especially when it comes time to pick future candidates.

It is silly to believe he will pick people who are not in his image.

446 posted on 08/12/2003 9:27:58 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: EternalVigilance
Also, you must have some perspective. Abortion is one issue only in a race where the winner can not effect it one way or the other.
447 posted on 08/12/2003 9:28:22 PM PDT by nyconse
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To: rolling_stone
And if all 50 states did somehow prohibit abortion, would things go back to the barber shop abortions and those with finances just travel to countries where it is legal?

More women die or are seriously injured from botched abortions today in the United States than died or were injured when all states had laws prohibiting abortions. Far, far more women.

448 posted on 08/12/2003 9:29:23 PM PDT by Kevin Curry (Put Justice Janice Rogers Brown on the Supreme Court--NOW)
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To: DrMartinVonNostrand
What part of "CONSTITUTIONALLY PROTECTED RIGHT" don't you understand.

What part of perversion of justice don't you understand?

The Constitution clearly says that NO PERSON can be deprived of their life or their liberty without due process.

How can you believe that a baby in the womb is not a person?

The justice's reasoning abilities are as faulty as the reasoning powers of the Schwarzenegger supporters here.

449 posted on 08/12/2003 9:30:23 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: EternalVigilance
No the Senate is almost 50-50. Repubs don't have the votes to end a filibuster. Solution-elect more Repubs!
450 posted on 08/12/2003 9:30:34 PM PDT by nyconse
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To: nyconse
Abortion is one issue only in a race where the winner can not effect it one way or the other.

Wrong.

451 posted on 08/12/2003 9:31:03 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: EternalVigilance
Explain to me how electing McClintock would end abortion?
452 posted on 08/12/2003 9:31:48 PM PDT by nyconse
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To: nyconse
Solution-elect more Repubs!

I work towards that end every day.

But electing more spineless liberals does no good; no matter which party label they bear.

453 posted on 08/12/2003 9:32:15 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: rolling_stone
Also, abortion were legal in New York before Roe V Wade.
454 posted on 08/12/2003 9:33:42 PM PDT by nyconse
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To: nyconse
Also in California, per a bill signed by one who subsequently became president. And so it goes.
455 posted on 08/12/2003 9:34:50 PM PDT by Torie
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To: nyconse
You obviously don't understand the power of the Governorship of the state of California.

It is not just the office itself. It is a bully pulpit. In fact, it is a bully pulpit only exceeded by one other.

The abortion views of the new Governor will impact GOP politics for years to come...setting back the movement, or advancing it.

Personnel is policy.
456 posted on 08/12/2003 9:34:59 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: EternalVigilance
He is a Republican-there are far more pro-life Repubs than pro-choice Repubs.
457 posted on 08/12/2003 9:35:10 PM PDT by nyconse
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To: nyconse
He is a Republican-there are far more pro-life Repubs than pro-choice Repubs.

Sometimes you wouldn't know it by the actions of our leaders.

458 posted on 08/12/2003 9:36:29 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: Tom Jefferson
McClintock has my vote !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
459 posted on 08/12/2003 9:36:54 PM PDT by pollywog
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To: Torie
Reagan signed a bill allowing abortion-no your kidding right?
460 posted on 08/12/2003 9:37:34 PM PDT by nyconse
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