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Why I Am Now Behind Arnold
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Posted on 08/12/2003 9:52:14 AM PDT by DrMartinVonNostrand

I have slowly come to the conclusion that California needs Arnold. Republicans need Arnold, and above all, California Republicans need Arnold.

I had been leaning towards McClintock, and I must admit, I made that decision before Arnold threw his hat into the ring. I welcomed the move when he did, but I still had reservations. I had gotten pretty excited over McClintock's vision, particularly his desire to void the Davis energy contracts and his general desire to stick it to the Democrats. I was also justifiably concerned at first about Arnold's talk of handing the treasury over to "the children".

But one has to be able to discern politics from policy. Everyone who wants to win elective office has to pay lipservice to "the children". It is the national passtime of politicians. I think when Arnold says "the children should have the first call of state Treasury" it is followed by an unspoken qualifier of "before illegal immigrants, welfare recipients, and special interests." He is simply putting forth his priorities, and they lay in stark contrast to Gray Davis and Cruz Bustamante's. He is quite savvy, so he isn't going to come out and say it in those words. He knows highlighting what is his priorities gets much better press than highlighting what isn't. He wants to reassure the soccer moms who have been frightened by Davis' threats of cutting funding to schools that he will be looking elsewhere to cut.

Arnold is very mindful of the hurdles he faces by running as a Republican in such a liberal state, so he will take extra measures to make traditional Democratic voters feel comfortable voting for him. It is what he has to do right now if he wants to win, and it seems to be working brilliantly.

Some conservatives will argue against Schwarzenegger because he opposed the impeachment of Bill Clinton. But Arnold understood the articles of impeachment that were brought were a pretty weak justification. Right or wrong, they were too easily construed as a right-wing lynching. He recognized it as too divisive and knew it could only further poison the political atmosphere and ultimately damage the Republican party.

Perhaps if Ken Starr had the convictions to pursue the serious matters of Whitewater, Chinagate, Filegate, or the murder of Vincent Foster, then Arnold would have seen it differently, just as the rest of America would have. But clearly Starr had no will to do so. It's hard to understand why, but perhaps he didn't want to expose that level of corruption in the highest office out of the long-term best interest of the American political system. Exposing Clinton's ties to the Dixieland mafia and Red China could have brought the entire government to its knees. It would have been a short-term victory for Republicans, but just as Nixon understood when he covered for Kennedy and Johnson over the Pentagon Papers, the long-term damage to the nation as a whole would have been far too great. Anyways, had Clinton actually been removed from office as a lame duck on those flimsy charges, we would have a President Gore in office right now. Arnold knew, just as everyone else did, that this was not going to happen considering it required a two-thirds majority in the Senate. Surely he understood that impeachment was a lose-lose proposition for Republicans so it was a mistake to go down that road. It was important for him to remain above it all for the sake of his own political future.

Some will argue that what we need right now is someone sort of financial wizard to fix the budget, and Arnold just doesn't qualify. But the truth is we really only need someone who can admit that Gray Davis has made some huge mistakes. Anyone but Gray Davis will do.

I hate to admit it, but the whole budget crisis is being about as overplayed for political reasons as the federal deficit in the '90s was (and is again). When it comes down to brass tacks, I think even the Democrats will bite the bullet and fix it. Yes, I know you're cringing, I am too, but it's the truth. The issue here isn't that the Democrats are incapable or even unwilling to fixing the budget. It's merely about how they want to fix it: the usual liberal approach of skyrocketing taxes. Either way, California isn't going to drop into the ocean or become a third world nation.

As far as Arnold not being a "social conservative", neither am I, and neither is California. A social conservative is not going to win a statewide election here for a long time to come. I fit in more along the lines of a fiscal conservative, just as Arnold is, and a "Constitutional conservative" with libertarian tendencies. Piety is not a prerequisite for my support, and too much of it may even lose it. I don't begrudge anyone their religious beliefs, but I do belive strongly in Jefferson's "wall of seperation between church and state". I also believe in strict interpritation of the First Ammendment, and that freedom of religion also entails freedom from religion. I realize those of you in the religious-right do not agree because this doesn't reinforce your personal religious beliefs, but not everything should be about our own personal whims and narrow agendas. Defending our own freedom as individuals must always be a higher objective. Otherwise it may be you they come for next. The Constitution protects everyone, or it protects no one. I think there are a lot of people on both extremes who forget that sometimes.

Even though some will say for these various reasons that Schwarzenegger is not the ideal conservative candidate, it is important for everyone to be pragmatic and pick their battles wisely. Right now we should be looking at long-term goals. An expedient victory in the recall of a conservative candidate by a 20 percent plurality is going to be counterproductive in the long-term. What are you going to do when Bill Simon is elected and the drive to recall him begins October 8th and qualifies three weeks later?

Electing Arnold, who can come to office with a true mandate and bring California together, will pay off big in the perception wars. Conservatives will never get their agenda anywhere in California as long as it is taboo to even vote for Republicans here. The longer Democrats have a complete lock on the state, the further left we will drift. Even if Arnold can't change the course right away, he can at least slow the momentum.

Personally, my goal is the destruction of the Democratic party and the liberal agenda far more than it is advancing any conservative single-issue. I have far more hate for left-wing Democrats than I have love for right-wing Republicans. I would be happy simply with a return to sanity at this point.

You can't walk a mile until you take the first step. For right now we all need to be concentrating on the jouney one step at a time or we will never reach the final destination. You have to at least open the door, which is now closed and locked here. It seems like a lot of right-wingers around here would rather rant and rave and pound on the door in futility than grab it by the handle.

I think I've finally figured that one out. For the death-before-electibility crowd, it's not about advancing their cause on earth, it's about earning a place in heaven.

As for the rest of us, we have to make a decision: do we want a small victory, or a huge defeat?


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1 posted on 08/12/2003 9:52:15 AM PDT by DrMartinVonNostrand
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To: DrMartinVonNostrand
Right now we should be looking at long-term goals..."

Arnold Schwarzenegger will win and with his wife Maria (A Kennedy) campaigning for him, many democrats will be pulled into voting and remaining in the Republican party.
The Republican party's stake in this is huge.
Schwarzenegger is a RINO, but that is what it takes to win California.
The big picture is the 2004 presidential election.
A Republican Governor will be an asset.

2 posted on 08/12/2003 9:55:37 AM PDT by MaryFromMichigan (God made us Freepers, Prozac made us friends.)
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To: DrMartinVonNostrand
There's one major problem with Arnold: abortion. The rest can be dealt with, but that's a very sticky issue indeed, especially if it risks putting another big-tent, pro-abort Republican in a key political seat.

Pete Wilson caused endless trouble over this issue. Maybe Arnie is smart enough to keep his mouth shut, but I'm not convinced, especially married to Maria Shriver.
3 posted on 08/12/2003 9:57:05 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Tooters
I'm worried that this 5000 pound gorilla will dilute the platform of the GOP. He is the anti-conservative on most hot issues.
4 posted on 08/12/2003 9:59:03 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: DrMartinVonNostrand
Best of luck to the GOOD people in California, whoever they choose to replace Gray-out. The new Gov. will have his work cut out for him. My vote would go to Uberroth, who at least has some experience dealing with troubled finances, which is the biggest problem facing CA for now. While a social conservative certainly could not get elected because of all the fruits and nuts in CA, that is what is needed.
5 posted on 08/12/2003 9:59:21 AM PDT by Trust but Verify (Will work for W)
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To: DrMartinVonNostrand
At this moment, both Schwarzenegger and McClintock supporters should take a deep breath and wait for developments during the next three or four weeks.

If Schwarzenegger implodes, McClintock will be a great insurance policy.

If McClintock does not get any traction, then he should gracefully withdraw from the race and join the winning team.

6 posted on 08/12/2003 10:01:54 AM PDT by george wythe
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To: HiTech RedNeck
"I'm worried that this 5000 pound gorilla will dilute the platform of the GOP. He is the anti-conservative on most hot issues."

When Arnold becomes the target, and he learns first hand how the Dems REALLY operate, he may not become more conservative, but he will certainly become more anti-Democrat.
He may even gain a better appreciation for the reason the Founding Fathers created the 2nd Amendment.
7 posted on 08/12/2003 10:03:40 AM PDT by RS (nc)
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To: george wythe
I agree.
8 posted on 08/12/2003 10:06:55 AM PDT by TheDon (Why do liberals always side with the enemies of the US?)
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To: DrMartinVonNostrand
What's the rush?


9 posted on 08/12/2003 10:07:25 AM PDT by Sabertooth (Where do Arnold and McClintock stand on California Drivers' Licenses for Illegal Aliens?)
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To: Cicero
I don't see how Arnold's pro-abortion position will change anything in California. It's not as if the legislature is planning on restricting it and he might veto it.
10 posted on 08/12/2003 10:07:27 AM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: DrMartinVonNostrand
Why I Am Now Behind Arnold


11 posted on 08/12/2003 10:09:19 AM PDT by ambrose
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To: Tooters
Yes but what will you win? A RINO governor who will get the blame for every single problem that occurs in California. Whatever goes wrong, it will be the fault of the Republicans who "control" the government.
12 posted on 08/12/2003 10:09:26 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: DrMartinVonNostrand
Oh, you've been here two whole days. I can see now that you didn't rush, you've sifted through almost 48 hours of threads and posts, and this is why you are "now behind Arnold."


13 posted on 08/12/2003 10:09:41 AM PDT by Sabertooth (Where do Arnold and McClintock stand on California Drivers' Licenses for Illegal Aliens?)
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To: Cicero
His pro-abortion stance is largely irrelevant in a state executive position.

His pro-gun-control stance is certainly more worrisome in that role.

14 posted on 08/12/2003 10:10:04 AM PDT by dead (Perdicaris alive or Raisuli dead!)
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To: AppyPappy
Hey, it's the Republicans' fault whether they're in power or not.
15 posted on 08/12/2003 10:10:11 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (© 2003, Ravin' Lunatic since 4/98)
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To: DrMartinVonNostrand
Best analysis of the situation I've seen so far anywhere. I think barring anything big and stupid on Schwartzenegger's part, he'll win.
16 posted on 08/12/2003 10:10:14 AM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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To: Cicero
Forget about abortion.

As I have said before many times, and will say again many times more I am sure, abortion is a non-issue. It is only a wedge for politicians to throw red meat to their perspective constituents.

There are only two ways that abortion laws will change: either the Supreme Court is restacked and a they take up a challenge to Roe v. Wade and go against 30 years of case law and precident, or the Congress passes a Constitutional ammendment that is ratfied by two-thirds of the states.

Neither of these things are going to happen any time soon, and the Governor of California has zero influence in the matter.

The sooner conservatives figure this out, the better, because then we can all get on with issues that we CAN change, and we would deprive the liberals of their favorite fear-tactic.
17 posted on 08/12/2003 10:10:46 AM PDT by DrMartinVonNostrand
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To: Sabertooth
Are we newbie-jumping today?
18 posted on 08/12/2003 10:10:58 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (© 2003, Ravin' Lunatic since 4/98)
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To: Tooters
You're absolutely right.

One thing I'd like to point out to people is simply this: having a Republican, even a RINO, in office in California will get the populace used to voting Republican again. Regardless of Arnold's political views, in the long run, that is not a bad thing at all and can be a springboard to slowly turning the population of California more towards the conservative side over the coming years and decades. Given the size of California's voting block, that's a long term investment that every conservative should be willing to make, even if it means we have to support a RINO in the short term.
19 posted on 08/12/2003 10:12:18 AM PDT by VOR78
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To: Cyber Liberty
I don't know. They've been hard-pressed to blame the Republicans since the Democrats control the whole shooting match.

The worst scenario is that a liberal Republican takes office. Then, every screwjob is "bipartisan".

20 posted on 08/12/2003 10:14:10 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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