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Imaginary numbers could be needed to describe reality, new studies find
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Posted on 12/21/2021 8:16:07 PM PST by algore

Imaginary numbers are necessary to accurately describe reality, two new studies have suggested.

Imaginary numbers are what you get when you take the square root of a negative number, and they have long been used in the most important equations of quantum mechanics, the branch of physics that describes the world of the very small.

When you add imaginary numbers and real numbers, the two form complex numbers, which enable physicists to write out quantum equations in simple terms. But whether quantum theory needs these mathematical chimeras or just uses them as convenient shortcuts has long been controversial.

In fact, even the founders of quantum mechanics themselves thought that the implications of having complex numbers in their equations was disquieting.

In a letter to his friend Hendrik Lorentz, physicist Erwin Schrödinger — the first person to introduce complex numbers into quantum theory, with his quantum wave function (ψ) — wrote, "What is unpleasant here, and indeed directly to be objected to, is the use of complex numbers. Ψ is surely fundamentally a real function."

Schrödinger did find ways to express his equation with only real numbers alongside an additional set of rules for how to use the equation, and later physicists have done the same with other parts of quantum theory.

But in the absence of hard experimental evidence to rule upon the predictions of these "all real" equations, a question has lingered: Are imaginary numbers an optional simplification, or does trying to work without them rob quantum theory of its ability to describe reality?

Now, two studies, published Dec. 15 in the journals Nature and Physical Review Letters, have proved Schrödinger wrong. By a relatively simple experiment, they show that if quantum mechanics is correct, imaginary numbers are a necessary part of the mathematics of our universe.

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'The Universe is not a litterbox for Imaginary Cats' - Algore
1 posted on 12/21/2021 8:16:07 PM PST by algore
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To: algore

We have an imaginary President, why not imaginary numbers.


2 posted on 12/21/2021 8:20:03 PM PST by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Gone but not forgiven.)
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To: algore

Sounds like string hypothesis again. “We need imaginary numbers to describe our undetectable world”.


3 posted on 12/21/2021 8:21:06 PM PST by DesertRhino (Dogs are called man's best friend. Moslems hate dogs. Add it up....)
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To: reg45; Kevmo

Imaginary numbers are quite real, I first learned about them in jr high algebra


4 posted on 12/21/2021 8:24:42 PM PST by algore
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To: algore

So reality is imaginary.
As we always subjected, we all all actors on the stage …of someone’s dream.


5 posted on 12/21/2021 8:26:35 PM PST by faithhopecharity (“Politicians are not born. They’re excreted.” Marcus Tillius Cicero (106 to 43 BCE))
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To: algore

Uh-huh.

EE 310 always gave me the willies.


6 posted on 12/21/2021 8:31:00 PM PST by sauropod (Meanie Butt Daddy - No you can't)
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To: algore

So the cat in the box is dead?


7 posted on 12/21/2021 8:35:24 PM PST by Deaf Smith (When a Texan takes his chances, chances will be taken that's for sure.)
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To: algore
Imaginary numbers are necessary to accurately describe reality

We'll need imaginary numbers to describe funding for Build Back Broke and to calculate Omnicron deaths.

8 posted on 12/21/2021 8:41:11 PM PST by Right_Wing_Madman
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To: algore

Electrical engineers use imaginary numbers in circuit descriptions. They use the symbol “j” instead of “i”, which is the choice of mathematicians. I believe the imaginary numbers come about from Fourier Transforms describing response from sinusoidal inputs.


9 posted on 12/21/2021 8:50:21 PM PST by the_Watchman
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To: algore

They are quite prevalent in electrodynamic theories and practice.


10 posted on 12/21/2021 8:51:16 PM PST by Kevmo (I’m immune from Covid since I don’t watch TV.🤗)
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To: algore

[[Imaginary numbers are necessary to accurately describe reality, ]]

Yep- like the imaginary numbers of people who have died WITH covid according to the scammers pushing ht covid lie-


11 posted on 12/21/2021 8:54:30 PM PST by Bob434
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To: algore

Did you learn that they’re racist?


12 posted on 12/21/2021 8:55:00 PM PST by gundog ( It was a bright cold day in April, and the clocks were striking thirteen. )
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To: algore

Here’s what I wonder:

Since imaginary numbers are mathematically rigorous and the universe operates as if they do exist, what would be the philosophical corollary? Sumthin like operating as if Occham’s Razor is invalid if two opposing Razor elements are operating in tandem?


13 posted on 12/21/2021 9:08:53 PM PST by Kevmo (I’m immune from Covid since I don’t watch TV.🤗)
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To: algore

Oh, I know about imaginary numbers. I just haven’t needed to use them very much.

On the other hand, President 46i …


14 posted on 12/21/2021 9:17:38 PM PST by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Gone but not forgiven.)
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A general solution to the cubic equation was long considered impossible, until we gave up the requirement that math reflect reality... Thanks to Dr Amir Alexander, Dr Alexander Kontorovich, Dr Chris Ferrie, and Dr Adam Becker for the helpful advice and feedback on the earlier versions of the script.
How Imaginary Numbers Were Invented | November 1, 2021 | Veritasium
How Imaginary Numbers Were Invented | November 1, 2021 | Veritasium

15 posted on 12/21/2021 9:26:18 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: 6SJ7; AdmSmith; AFPhys; Arkinsaw; allmost; aristotleman; autumnraine; bajabaja; ...
Thanks algore.


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16 posted on 12/21/2021 9:27:32 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: reg45

Ha.....I’d say he’s not imaginary but rather his votes/voters were. He does, however, imagine himself as a valid President, though... :0)


17 posted on 12/21/2021 9:58:08 PM PST by Gaffer
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To: algore

This is REALLY the lonliest number.

18 posted on 12/21/2021 10:04:38 PM PST by bigbob
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To: algore
I've had a long fascination with imaginary numbers. They make mathematics complete. You don't need to invent some other number to get the square root of i or even i^i ( which has an infinate number of irrational totally real numbers !) .

If you have total internal reflection from a beam of light inside a glass block , if you bring another glass block next to the first the imaginary equation actually predicts the weird way light crosses the gap as you bring the glass blocks closer to each other.

19 posted on 12/21/2021 10:36:39 PM PST by Nateman (Racism is Leftist Dog Whistle for 'Resistance to Communism'.)
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To: algore
"Imaginary numbers"

Brought to you by dominion.
20 posted on 12/21/2021 10:41:02 PM PST by clearcarbon (Fraudulent elections have consequences.)
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