Posted on 01/26/2011 5:57:29 AM PST by Reaganite Republican
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More reactionary diatribes at Reaganite Republican
Just the thought sends a thrill up your leg, doesn't it?
Fromm 1771:
Ms. Pryor sounds like she needs to brush up a bit. Tell her I found this right next to the part of the Constitution that makes abortion a protected "right", she should be able to spot it right away.
IF you were a Doctor, nurse, attendent, whatever who helped deliver such an important personage (or “the” Hospital in which he was “born”) would it not stand to reason that said person(s) and instituion would be making a big deal about their involvement?
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His birth wasn’t important at the time. It would be unusual for someone to remember a patient from 46 years ago but the hospital should be able to research and prove his birth IF he gave permission per HIPPA patient right to privacy laws. He won’t.
Nope. I asked whether anyone, prior to the election, had made the argument he's not eligible because of his father's citizenship. To date no one has been able to produce an example of this argument dating from before Nov. 2008.
You lose,
No, that would be you.
you ignorant puffed up smidgen of blow-fish sh!t.
Sign. I'm rubber, you're glue...
Sorry, but your linke dates from Dec. of 2008. The election was in Nov. No soup for you!
As to your citation of Professor Solum:
What was the original public meaning of the phrase that establishes the eligibility for the office of President of the United States? There is general agreement on the core of its meaning. Anyone born on American soil whose parents are citizens of the United States is a “natural born citizen.
Seems like a slam dunk that he's endorsing the birther two-citizen argument, doesn't it? There's just one problem: you forgot to read his footnote:
In an earlier version of this article, I used the phrase “whose parents are citizens of the United States.” Some readers have misread the original as implying that someone born of only one American parent on American soil is not a “natural born citizen.” That reading ignores the context of the original sentence, which was meant to provide a case where “natural born citizen” status was indisputable. The sentence did not provide criteria for clear cases of exclusion, which were provided by the very next sentence. Based on my reading of the historical sources, there is no credible case that a person born on American soil with one American parent was clearly not a “natural born citizen.” Indeed, the conventional view is that almost anyone born on American soil would be a natural born citizen: limited exceptions may have existed for the children of foreign Ambassadors, for the children of slaves, and perhaps others. This article does not address the question whether the conventional view is correct.
You can find the full text of his paper here:
http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1263885
You lose again.
There you go projecting again. It is you who is misreading the post, not me.
There’s a great 1980-era interview by Yuri Bezmenov, who was a KGB guy who defected to the US. He says the communists have 4 different stages of taking over a country.
WE ARE HERE:
Yuri Bezmenov: Sleepers Emerge and “Messiah” Appears:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZHRgTskEhE
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Wrong, oh curiously incurious one. The election occurred when the electoral votes were certified and not one day before. When was that?.
Regarding Ol' Larry's seeming footnote, it was an addendum as the language clearly indicates, one that he later added after being alerted to the fact that he had inadvertantly cast doubt upon Obama, which is exactly what I claimed in my original reply to you on this thread.
You're really not very good at this, you know.
We are trying to talk sense to two whose reading comprehension skills are dim. I know that I was posting that Obama might be ineligible because his Dad was not a citizen in that time frame — summer 2008. I realized that the term “natural born citizen” in the Presidential qualifications was a “term of art” that had a special meaning to the Founders and was fishing around for what it meant. “Born in country” was one possibility, via Blackstone, but that left the case of diplomats, soldiers and others of official and quasi-official status not well settled — clearly the founders, Jay and Washington, did not mean them. Washington, especially, was well familiar with European noblemen arriving here to seek a fortune, but not as men committed to America — he had seen them in the war on both sides.
I was happy when “Judah Benjamin” posting at TexasDarling blog made the case for the founders wanting to avoid conflicts of loyalty, and happier still — by the clearness of his reasoning — when de Vattel’s work and its influence on the founders was made known to the internet community following this issue.
De Vattel’s term, as it was translated into a Constitutional term of art, “natural born citizen” means that the DAD had to be citizen. In our time where men and women are viewed as equals in marriage then the term would mean BOTH parents have to be citizens. Vattel made it clear — Obama is NOT a “natural born citizen”.
Yet I knew by early summer 2008 that Obama had already determined his line of reasoning for why he was “natural born citizen” — he could purport Hawaiian birth and thus meet what his own website at that time was declaring to make him a “natural born citizen”, that being the 14th Amendment.
It seemed to me that he and his team had already anticipated the argument that he was not “natural born citizen” and were using the weirdly presented COLB to pin down the argument to “birth in the US”. He’s black, and most of the elite class are terrified to challenge a black man claiming protection of the 14th. To me that was YET ANOTHER mark of a con. Obama is a con man supreme.
The 14th Amendment had nothing to say about the meaning of “natural born citizen” in the requirements for President. Although the case of a person born to black slave parents before the 14th was passed could have been interesting, that’s moot today as such persons are all dead.
Your dog Freddie has more documentation as ‘the won’, at this point. Maybe more. Kennel papers?? Bet you can show us who his puppy doctor was!
"To: Slapshot68"the children of citizens of the United States that may be born beyond Sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born Citizens"
Not sure if this applies as both of Obama's parents weren't citizens. Only his mom was.
24 posted on Thursday, June 26, 2008 1:30:38 PM by Tao Yin (Hey, this thread isn't ecumenical) "
Re: James Buchanan
James Buchanan’s father emigrated to the U.S. from Ireland in 1783. When the U.S Constitution was adopted in 1787 (and ratified in 1788), it conferred citizenship upon everyone living in the States. Therefore James Buchanan’s father was a citizen of the United States when James Buchanan was born in 1791. So, James Buchanan was a natural born citizen.
I wish so badly I could see that youtube video. I wonder if the audio of that is posted someplace. My computer is OK to hear just audio.
No one, repeat, no one, prior to the Fall of 2008, claimed that natural born status required two citizen parents. Period.
NONE of these two ladies are lying, but YOU are, as usual!
This was established in the SPRING of 2008 that NBC status required TWO U.S. citizen-(s). Period!!
"Liar, Liar, Pants On Fire", FINO!!!
Wow, while I was gone you all really got heated about this discussion. There were many posts to me so I will try to see if I can cover them all in one post.
First of all let me explain why I never brought the subject up about both parents needing to be U.S. citizens. My original questions regarding the definition of “natural born citizen” were with regard to senator McCain. In his case it was questionable because he was born in a hopsital in Panama, even though both his parents were citizens. When Obama’s birthplace began to be questioned I started following those threads as well.
I didn’t even think about both parents needing to be citizens until shortly before July 4th, 2008 when I was discussing the question of eligibility over the telephone with a friend I had attended grade school with. She raised the issue with me regarding the need for both parents to be citizens, reminding me of the discussions in our grade school classes together when our teacher used her and her family as an example to help explain to us what it meant to be a natural born citizen. I hadn’t thought about it until then because it wasn’t something that had been important to me at the time, because my parents and even my grandparents and great grandparents were all U.S. citizens and I was born in the United States. When she brought up the subject, however, I did remember the discussions because she was pretty upset at the time that she couldn’t grow up to be the first female president of the U.S.
She had invited me to a BBQ a few days later on the fourth of July at her home. I did a little searching over the Internet but had not been able to find anything that substantiated what we had been taught in school or what defined the term natural born citizen. I printed off what little I had found and gave it to her at the BBQ which raised the discussion there. There were 5 of us from our grade school class at the BBQ and we all remembered the discussions about her citizenship and the “natural born citizen” clause and how our teacher had used her family as an example in the class. This example was used again when we went to middle school and again in high school in discussions about the constitution. Thankfully, by then my friend had decided she didn’t care about being the first female president and had gotten over being hurt by having her family used as an example.
Another individual at the BBQ (much younger than the rest of us), informed us that this interpretation was incorrect based on a Supreme Court ruling on the matter. He indicated to us that a court case had decided that if you were born in the United States you were a natural born citizen, and that it didn’t matter if your parents were not citizens of the United States. He was a lawyer, so we assumed he knew what he was talking about. Furthermore, virtually everyone else at the BBQ agreed with him, so we assumed that the citizenship of the parents did not mater if a person was born in the United States.
Now had my friend not raised the issue with me, and reminded me of the discussions in our classes I might not have remembered what we had learned in school because it wasn’t something that was particularly important to me since my ancestors had lived in this country for generations. When she did raise the issue, however, it brought out my own memories that had been tucked away for years. When you get to my age you realize that many memories come flooding back to you when someone else mentions an event that had been an important memory for them but not necessarily for you.
When I became aware of the Donofrio suit in November 2008, it seemed agree with the example our teacher had used when we were in grade school and I beleive I indicated that in my first post regarding the lawsuit.
As far as a U.S. textbook of any kind that deals with a more detailed definition of “natural born citizen” I have no idea if there even is one. I have not found any that even address the issue. There is, however, a definition in International law by Emerich de Vattel entitled “The Law of Nations” where it states:”The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens.”
I hope this answers everyone’s questions.
With his present faked SSN from a dead person, I very much doubt he has ANY certificate like Form N550!!!
No way possible, that's WHY he is a total incognito, hiding every possible records that will reveal his scams???
I know I can smell ya from here. Smells like troll.
To: 5thGenTexan
Barack Hussein O’Bama is listed as born in Honolulu, Hawaii.
Barack Hussein Obama probably holds dual citizenship, dual loyalties.
Kenyan Father - American Mother.
19 posted on Thursday, February 28, 2008 4:43:20 PM by ricks_place
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1977896/posts
It’s hard to say whether that’s better or worse than what he did four paragraphs earlier, where he cited to an online hoax birth certificate that was signed by ‘Dudley Doright’ and ‘John Kennedy.’ Which is more ridiculous: citing rumor or citing an obvious hoax?
Gee, not as ridiculous apparently as citing a reason for dismissing a pending case because it had been twittered and blogged over the internet.
“The case made headlines at the district court level because of the ruling from District Judge James Robertson of Washington.
In refusing to hear evidence about whether Obama is eligible, Robertson wrote in his notice dismissing the case, “The issue of the president’s citizenship was raised, vetted, blogged, texted, twittered, and otherwise massaged by America’s vigilant citizenry during Mr. Obama’s two-year-campaign for the presidency.”
LOL. I was only what, 5, 6 years old? My mom and dad might, he was a purebred.... LOL
To: Eva
“Wouldn’t he have been considered a citizen even if he was born in another country, if his mother was a citizen.”
Yes, it appears so — but it gets a little iffy, since Obama’s Mother was 18 when he was born, so technically she didn’t meet the requirement of residing in the US for 5 years after age 14 — but, as I said, this could be just a technicality.
http://www.pengweber.com/citizenship/citizenbybirth.html
“If both parents are U.S. citizens, at least one resided in the U.S. before the child’s birth.
If one parent is a U.S. citizen, the U.S. citizen parent must have resided in the U.S. for 10 years, at least 5 of which were after age 14.”
But his Father was a citizen of Kenya at the time, would that make Obama also a citizen of Kenya with dual citizenship? I read somewhere that he has dual citizenship. Did he ever renounce his Kenyan citizenship?
44 posted on Saturday, June 28, 2008 2:56:20 PM by FocusNexus (”Winning isn’t everything, it’s the only thing.” — Vince Lombardi)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2037867/posts
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