We are trying to talk sense to two whose reading comprehension skills are dim. I know that I was posting that Obama might be ineligible because his Dad was not a citizen in that time frame — summer 2008. I realized that the term “natural born citizen” in the Presidential qualifications was a “term of art” that had a special meaning to the Founders and was fishing around for what it meant. “Born in country” was one possibility, via Blackstone, but that left the case of diplomats, soldiers and others of official and quasi-official status not well settled — clearly the founders, Jay and Washington, did not mean them. Washington, especially, was well familiar with European noblemen arriving here to seek a fortune, but not as men committed to America — he had seen them in the war on both sides.
I was happy when “Judah Benjamin” posting at TexasDarling blog made the case for the founders wanting to avoid conflicts of loyalty, and happier still — by the clearness of his reasoning — when de Vattel’s work and its influence on the founders was made known to the internet community following this issue.
De Vattel’s term, as it was translated into a Constitutional term of art, “natural born citizen” means that the DAD had to be citizen. In our time where men and women are viewed as equals in marriage then the term would mean BOTH parents have to be citizens. Vattel made it clear — Obama is NOT a “natural born citizen”.
Yet I knew by early summer 2008 that Obama had already determined his line of reasoning for why he was “natural born citizen” — he could purport Hawaiian birth and thus meet what his own website at that time was declaring to make him a “natural born citizen”, that being the 14th Amendment.
It seemed to me that he and his team had already anticipated the argument that he was not “natural born citizen” and were using the weirdly presented COLB to pin down the argument to “birth in the US”. He’s black, and most of the elite class are terrified to challenge a black man claiming protection of the 14th. To me that was YET ANOTHER mark of a con. Obama is a con man supreme.
The 14th Amendment had nothing to say about the meaning of “natural born citizen” in the requirements for President. Although the case of a person born to black slave parents before the 14th was passed could have been interesting, that’s moot today as such persons are all dead.
I agree with you......Curosity is trying to muddy the waters because he knows his dream lover is ineligible in so many ways.
Freepers were trying to figure out if what the Obama team was dishing out to the public was actually a fact. His bogus Colb.....Where Obama was born, who his father really was. People knew Obama was a faud. There are hundreds of examples like these:
[Cookcounty talking about McCain]
“But BOTH of his parents were US citizens, unlike Obama.”-Cookcounty
“For everyone running for POTUS - not just Obama and McCain - original birth certificates and parents’ citizenship status should be released to the public.
In Obama’s case there are several questions, in McCain’s there is the question of him born in a foreign country. Considering some of the controversial interpretations made by the Supreme Court, it might decide against McCain.
There is no question if both parents of a candidate are citizens AND he is born in the United States. If not, then it needs clarification. I would not want a POTUS who holds dual citizenship.”
50 posted on Saturday, July 19, 2008 10:20:53 AM by Dante3