Don't spin the Civil War

Washington Post ^ | 12.27.10 | E.J. DIONNE jR.

[trumandogz]

The Civil War is about to loom very large in the popular memory. We would do well to be candid about its causes and not allow the distortions of contemporary politics or long-standing myths to cloud our understanding of why the nation fell apart.

The coming year will mark the 150th anniversary of the onset of the conflict, which is usually dated to April 12, 1861, when Confederate batteries opened fire at 4:30 a.m. on federal troops occupying Fort Sumter. Union forces surrendered the next day, after 34 hours of shelling.

[rockrr]

There aren’t any leftist scum here, but there sure are some Lost Cause Losers that are obviously in the wrong place.

[rockrr]

"Another fact: Lincoln approved a plan to assasinate Jeff Davis and the Confederate Cabinet, but the plan was unsuccessful."

I can't wait to see this flight of fancy substantiated.

"Hey Rocky! Watch me pull a rabbit out of my hat!"

[dixiechick2000]

Awesome work, mojito! Is Non-Sequitur still here?

Thank you for the ping, MS BelleStar...;o)

[mojitojoe]

I have no idea, but you can search for keywords on any forum. Just use your browser.

[mojitojoe]

I agree, as for Thumper, starve the red diaper baby Marxist troll. Same for Trumandogz. Just give it some time, let things run their course. I imagine they will meet the same fate as their partners, the big ZOT. Let them talk to themselves, watch them on other threads. DO NOT TAKE THE BAIT! That’s my advice for whatever it’s worth.

[mojitojoe]

TROLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!

and this is a lie:.then you all made self congratulatory reference to being responsible for getting a fellow FReeper banned because he argued and opposed your nostalgic trips to the ole cotton fields.
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JimRob banned him because he decided to take JR on spew homo agenda. It’s a miracle that liberal POS lasted more than a year. LONGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG OVERDUE!

[mojitojoe]

Psssst, here’s a hint... previous posts, they have caused the demise of many trolls.

[central_va]

It helps the sideline lurkers see what kind of manipulators and feral rednecks y’all truly are.

My guess you would add Madison, Mason, Washington and Henry to your private list of feral rednecks.

[central_va]

then you all made self congratulatory reference to being responsible for getting a fellow FReeper banned because he argued and opposed your nostalgic trips to the ole cotton fields.

There you go again, going off half cocked. That is not why the Coven Queen got the zot. You write well, but reading comprehension is not your long suite.

[central_va]

then you all made self congratulatory reference to being responsible for getting a fellow FReeper banned because he argued and opposed your nostalgic trips to the ole cotton fields.

Your silly rant did accomplish one thing, you proved that you are not non-sequitur redux.

[cowboyway]

If you believe any of that nonsense to be true, and you consider yourself to be a “good” FReeper, you are duty-bound to report it to the mods. Why don’t you?

I posted it on the forum, idiot. Do you think the mods only read these threads when they're pinged?

BTW, your reply fits the profile of a paid troll perfectly.

[cowboyway]

To have been born absolutely and utterly perfect and without original sin.

I never have and never will be a marxist such as you were/are.

[cowboyway]

Like Pelosi and company, you guys lost and for good reasons.

Pelosi. That would have been somebody that you would have supported back in your marxist days, right?

[cowboyway]

It's funny, this is perhaps the only place I've ever seen someone use the word "damnyankee" seriously, without their tongue being firmly in their cheek.

Where are your from, noobie, and how many real Southerners do you know?

[Ditto]

And by the way -- why shouldn't they have wanted to settle the West like everybody else? Why should they stay east of the Mississippi -- because Abe Lincoln said so?

There was nothing stopping them from settling the west. Tens of thousands of Southerners settled in the west. The pampered slave owners just couldn't take their slaves with them if they wanted to keep them chattel. I guess the poor little spoiled babies were afraid they would break a fingernail of something if they did any manual labor like the rest of the pioneers and settlers.

So Lincoln didn't have a problem with the idea of "second-class citizenship" after all, did he?

Oh boy. You are good at turning logic on it's head. War is peace. Love is hate. Unemployment is a stimulus. And now, limiting slavery creates second class citizens. I nominate you for the 2011 George Orwell Award.

Dude. Look up The Northwest Ordinance. Congress had regulated where slavery could be in the Territories from the very get-go.

[Ditto]

You liberals always fall back on those Alinsky tactics...

It seems you BSboys are always the ones falling back on calling people Marxists. As to the fag thing, --- well you are the first I have seen to bring that one up. Hmmmmmm?

[TexConfederate1861]

Blue and Gray Magazine......want the issue number?

[mac_truck]

Actually, no, it wasn't their only issue, they had about five or six.

On a scale of one to six (with one being "we must expand or perish" six being "that's damn inconvenient" ), where do you think the fire-eaters put the expansion of slavery?

[cowboyway]

It seems you BSboys are always the ones falling back on calling people Marxists.

Your pal thumper is a self admitted 'former' marxist. I suspect that like thumper and the recently departed (sniff sniff) non-sequitur, most of you damnyankees lean left on social issues.

As to the fag thing, --- well you are the first I have seen to bring that one up. Hmmmmmm?

That's stupid. You need to read these threads. Implying that someone is a homosexual is one of the favorites in the Coven's bag of Alinsky tricks. Since you went to the personal attack in true Alinsky style I figured it was just a matter of time before you started with the homo accusations. (perhaps NS didn't train you as well as he did the others)

Now, if you have anything worthwhile to add to this debate, let's see it. Otherwise, you can go pound sand.

[Ditto]

That's why Stephen Douglas and Jefferson Davis made Senate cloakroom medicine that resulted in Douglas's Kansas-Nebraska Act with its doctrine of "popular sovereignty". Jeff Davis got "popular sovereignty" and the Little Giant got the railroad terminus in Omaha, due west of, and conveniently due west of, Chicago.

OK. Lets due a little time-line thing here instead of time shifting.

Jefferson Davis serves as Secretary of War under President Franklin Pierce from 1853-1857. He was not in the Senate during those years.

The Kansas Nebraska Act passed in 1854.

The Trans Continental Railroad Act passed Congress in 1862 -- eight years after the Kansas-Nebraska Act. At that point, Stephan A. Douglas (April 23, 1813 – June 3, 1861) had been dead for nearly a year, and Jeff Davis was otherwise occupied in Richmond.