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Don't spin the Civil War
Washington Post ^ | 12.27.10 | E.J. DIONNE jR.

Posted on 12/27/2010 10:31:54 AM PST by trumandogz

The Civil War is about to loom very large in the popular memory. We would do well to be candid about its causes and not allow the distortions of contemporary politics or long-standing myths to cloud our understanding of why the nation fell apart.

The coming year will mark the 150th anniversary of the onset of the conflict, which is usually dated to April 12, 1861, when Confederate batteries opened fire at 4:30 a.m. on federal troops occupying Fort Sumter. Union forces surrendered the next day, after 34 hours of shelling.

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To: mstar

OK, I’ll try it a different way....What does “bait feast” even mean?


881 posted on 01/01/2011 3:45:28 PM PST by rockrr ("I said that I was scared of you!" - pokie the pretend cowboy)
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To: cowboyway
Oh, cowboy....ya done has me pegged! You master spy and diviner of the thoughts of others! I've been a mole since August of 2000. Oh yeah, cowboy....you're slick! Didn't take ya long to pull all those loose threads and weave a tapestry of intrigue, espionage, skullduggery, manipulation, subversion, ad infinitum.

Hey cowboy, ya know somethin'? I came up with my OWN scenario. It applies to you woe is me, the Confederacy should be exalted types. The words are slightly different and the actors are, too. But, the thrust is straight on.

Drill Sergeant (Lamenters of the Confederacy): Gump! What’s your sole purpose in this (cause) army?
Forrest Gump ((Lamenter cabal lackey): To do whatever you tell me, (cowboy, et. al.)drill sergeant!
Drill Sergeant (LotC): God damn it, Gump! You’re a goddamned genius! This is the most outstanding answer I have ever heard. You must have a goddamn I.Q. of 160. You are goddamned gifted, Private (cowboy et.al.)Gump.

Yeah, you guys are geniuses! So wrapped up in your own identity politics that you have gone off the deep end. I'm so certain you're a GDG that I look forward to a complete list of all the threads, since they certainly must number in the thousands, where I've been labeled a troll/subversive/interloper/whatever/blahblahblah.

And, by the way, since when were you made a gatekeeper of the threads and discussions? Is it you who decides who should and should not be posting a comment on any particular issue of discussion? Are you the arbiter of who speaks and who is silenced? Are you simply a control freak?

Please. do go and "report' me. Go along, little child, do so. Relive your pre-teen tattle ways and try to vacuously curry favor with whomever you can. Please do make complaints and whine about those you disagree with and who will not toe your particular rigid line of malignant "reason". Be advised that to those who wisely balance the views of others and who oversee disparate ideas, the vision of a hopping and skipping windbag causes indigestion and irritation. That you take pleasure in claiming you were instrumental in getting at least one poster banned says a lot about you and yours. That you revel in the thoughts of getting others who oppose your views banned belies a sickness in your soul. Indeed, you're most likely to be the sort who becomes a turncoat in any future conflicts. Kind of like the cowardly vigilantes of your "heroes" of the post-Civil War. You remember those Klansmen, don't you.

Ever more so, ever daily, with every post your cabal makes, it is clearer and clearer that you're a danger to more than yourselves and other posters.

Enjoy your "conspiracy".

882 posted on 01/01/2011 3:47:33 PM PST by Thumper1960 (A modern so-called "Conservative" is a shadow of a wisp of a vertebrate human being.)
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To: rockrr
OK, I’ll try it a different way....What does “bait feast” even mean?

"BAIT" to place a lure in (a trap) or on (a fishing hook). To entice, especially by trickery or strategy. to set dogs upon (a chained animal, for example) for sport. to attack or torment, especially with persistent insults, criticism, or ridicule. to tease.

"FEAST" a festival, a meeting to socialize or consult. can refer to the act of eating. a large meal.
883 posted on 01/01/2011 4:22:49 PM PST by mstar (Immediate State Action)
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To: mstar

lets let this thread die..no more responses..


884 posted on 01/01/2011 4:24:52 PM PST by bushpilot1
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To: mstar

Oh, the things that pokie and cva does.

Nope, no “bait feast”, or bait fest here. I wouldn’t dream of interfering with your opportunity to post. It’s not my place to say who gets to post, and unlike the LCL’s I don’t try to get people banned.


885 posted on 01/01/2011 4:27:41 PM PST by rockrr ("I said that I was scared of you!" - pokie the pretend cowboy)
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To: bushpilot1

Why? Why don’t you post some more pictures? They really were quite lovely (all but the last one).


886 posted on 01/01/2011 4:30:35 PM PST by rockrr ("I said that I was scared of you!" - pokie the pretend cowboy)
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To: bushpilot1
lets let this thread die..no more responses..

I am in total agreement
887 posted on 01/01/2011 4:31:54 PM PST by mstar (Immediate State Action)
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To: mstar
lets let this thread die..no more responses..

I'm only involved peripherally, but I'll make this my last post. Here's a parting picture:

(It's not from any particular Warner Brothers cartoon, it's a commissioned cel by Friz Freling)

888 posted on 01/01/2011 5:05:27 PM PST by Abin Sur
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To: Ditto
The fire-eaters only had one concer, The expansion of slavery. That was their only issue.

Actually, no, it wasn't their only issue, they had about five or six.

And by the way -- why shouldn't they have wanted to settle the West like everybody else? Why should they stay east of the Mississippi -- because Abe Lincoln said so?

So Lincoln didn't have a problem with the idea of "second-class citizenship" after all, did he? He must only have been kidding when he expressed compassion for the slaves ..... because he was orating against the people he wanted to make slaves, slaves of his political party.

889 posted on 01/01/2011 5:42:24 PM PST by lentulusgracchus (Concealed carry is a pro-life position.)
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To: Thumper1960
Of course, it is entertaining and fun to watch you toss out crap and hope it stings. It doesn’t and it won’t.

Back at ya punk.

890 posted on 01/01/2011 6:11:49 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.)
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To: trumandogz
If the Confederacy wanted to end slavery, why is it that they wrote the following in their Constitution?

“No bill of attainder, ex post facto law, or law denying or impairing the right of property in negro slaves shall be passed.”

Great question, but, don't hold your breath waiting for an answer from this bunch of southern spin-meisters.

Happy New Year!


891 posted on 01/01/2011 6:26:16 PM PST by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: cowboyway; Ditto; trumandogz; Non-Sequitur
I don't know about trumandogz, and I wouldn't include Ditto in that polemic, but I do think Thumpy and poodlerr are in fact trolls and provocateurs.

'Course, I'm pretty much on the record about that already.

Yeah, I thought it was interesting .... Non-Sequitur disappears, and suddenly Thumper gets active, and nasty.

And no, it isn't tinfoiling if they're really out to get you. Remember the book about "Intrepid"? He was after conscientious isolationist Republicans, and he was a Brit. Good reason to toss him out of the country, but FDR didn't .... he served FDR's purposes, which tells us more of what we already knew about FDR.

I still don't have my arms around all the allegations about Non-sequious ..... and I've seen some interesting ones.

Oh, and that isn't a "courtesy ping" to N-S ..... just the opposite ....

892 posted on 01/01/2011 6:26:42 PM PST by lentulusgracchus (Concealed carry is a pro-life position.)
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To: lentulusgracchus

“Everyone is somebody’s troll” LOL

Even you.


893 posted on 01/01/2011 6:33:08 PM PST by rockrr ("I said that I was scared of you!" - pokie the pretend cowboy)
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To: cowboyway

I’m thinking this thread was a test run by the leftists to see if they could ensnare someone on FR to advocate the assissination of obuma.

The vitriol and hatred was way more than anything I’ve seen. I also think the leftist agent provocateurs here on FR were extremely upset that Non-Sequiter was exposed. Then a few went ballistic when his alter-ego - Darius Whyte - was uncovered.

Everyone did a good job in exposing the leftist scum infiltrating FR. We are taking back territory formerly occupied by left-wing fascist scum.

Happy New Year and blessed new year to all patriots here on FR.

We are winning, but it’s a first step in a long journey. As for you southerners who served with me, let’s hear a rebel yell and a God bless America.

http://www.26nc.org/History/Rebel-Yell/Sound-Files/RebelYell_l.wav

http://www.michaeldalytenor.com/?traditional_music=folk_songs&track=15&gclid=CPLtheHKmqYCFaJl7Aod7SL0pA


894 posted on 01/01/2011 7:38:10 PM PST by sergeantdave
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To: trumandogz

No...Sam Houston wasn’t killed or tried, because everyone knew his first love was till the end of his life, TEXAS.

As I stated earlier, he wanted Texas to secede, then become a Republic, not join the Confederacy.

I will tell you a secret: I really don’t celebrate Lincoln’s demise, just said that to get your buddy THUMPER stirred up. But it is no secret that I depise Lincoln.

Another fact: Lincoln approved a plan to assasinate Jeff Davis and the Confederate Cabinet, but the plan was unsuccessful.

SO...the fact that he was killed by the same means he advocated for others, seems like justice to me.


895 posted on 01/01/2011 7:45:11 PM PST by TexConfederate1861 (Surrender means that the history of this herroic struggle will be written by the enemy.)
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To: trumandogz

Kind of hard to industrialize when raw materials were being kept out by a BLOCKADE.


896 posted on 01/01/2011 8:05:15 PM PST by TexConfederate1861 (Surrender means that the history of this herroic struggle will be written by the enemy.)
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To: central_va

Ya know, I’m worried about you. I sure hope you don’t have an aneurysm or an apoplectic fit from not getting your own way. Have a Beam and Coke and relax. Sooner or later you’ll come to realize the years you wasted fretting over a long ago war fought over whether or not human beings can own other human beings and treat them like farm animals.


897 posted on 01/01/2011 9:28:23 PM PST by Thumper1960 (A modern so-called "Conservative" is a shadow of a wisp of a vertebrate human being.)
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To: lentulusgracchus

I “suddenly” got “active” after happening upon your little band of radicals jumping up and down over how evil the North was; how great the South was; how Lincoln was a tyrant and a thug; how if the South had just been left alone that slavery would have died out, etc.

Actually, I have lurked on previous threads where worshipful admirers discussed segregation, Jim Crow, lynching, KKK fun and games, institutional slavery and other wild and wonderful aspects of the Confederate lifestyle. I had imagined you loons sitting down in front of your keyboards in beer stained white wife-beater t-shirts with portraits of Nathan Bedford Forrest and velvet Elvis’ hanging on the walls. Usually the rantings of wanna-be “crackers” of a dead and buried past would be amusing....sad and sick, but amusing. Nooooo....then you all made self congratulatory reference to being responsible for getting a fellow FReeper banned because he argued and opposed your nostalgic trips to the ole cotton fields.

Really, not cool. Not at all. Not when hiding behind manufactured motives for doing so.

It is clear that whenever someone disagrees with your fantasies, you attack them as “trolls and provocateurs.”
The thing is, you don’t know anything about me, save for my “profile”. Which, btw, has been online for years. Quite a few years, in fact. You think you do know something of me, but you really don’t. so you build a storyline and fill it in with whatever you think is most damaging to me while making you look wonderful and really super guys. Isn’t it strange how no one in all those years has had any “problems” with what I wrote except you whackos? Not once has any official communication from anyone on FR been sent to me in regards to what I posted concerning my youthful indiscretions. Yet you loons have bile spitting tantrums over it. I do declare, looney tunes, had I posted a glowing response in favor of your secessionist pipedreams, not one word would have been said of the profile.

But, hey, you keep frothing at the mouth and keep spinning yarns of fantastical illusions of my being some sort of “troll and provocateur”. It helps the sideline lurkers see what kind of manipulators and feral rednecks y’all truly are.

:-)


898 posted on 01/01/2011 9:54:44 PM PST by Thumper1960 (A modern so-called "Conservative" is a shadow of a wisp of a vertebrate human being.)
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To: sergeantdave

It’s no longer New Years Eve. You can stop drinking the sour mash.


899 posted on 01/01/2011 9:56:54 PM PST by Thumper1960 (A modern so-called "Conservative" is a shadow of a wisp of a vertebrate human being.)
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To: TexConfederate1861
I will tell you a secret: I really don’t celebrate Lincoln’s demise, just said that to get your buddy THUMPER stirred up.(I call BS!) But it is no secret that I depise (sic) Lincoln.

Ohhh.....do I detect a scamper back from a proudly blurted statement? How ever will you enjoy your Aprils to come without a toast to celebrate the Lincoln murder?

900 posted on 01/01/2011 10:00:38 PM PST by Thumper1960 (A modern so-called "Conservative" is a shadow of a wisp of a vertebrate human being.)
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