Traitor? Treason? [Robert E. Lee]

Old Virginia Blog ^ | 5/10/10 | Richard Williams

[Davy Buck]

"If Lee was a traitor (and I don't believe he was), he would be the only traitor for which a ship in the United States Navy was ever named. He would be the only traitor in Statuary Hall at the U.S. Capitol. He would be the only traitor whose image was used in a positive way to recruit military personnel to fight and win WWII. Quite an accomplishment for a "traitor", wouldn't you say. . ."

[Lee'sGhost]

himself

[lentulusgracchus]

But are they ["al-Amriki" et al.] traitors or not?

You'd have to establish that by trial under Article III, by bringing forward witnesses in compliance with the article. Good luck.

[mojitojoe]

e especially doesn’t like it when his pro-abortion stance is mentioned.
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He won’t deny it either. He knows people have his posts and will post them. Have you seen his posts detailing how great Muslims are and their wonderful contributions to the world? Maybe time to post that again.

[mojitojoe]

BINGO!

[Non-Sequitur]

You'd have to establish that by trial under Article III, by bringing forward witnesses in compliance with the article. Good luck.

In your opinion then, traitors or no?

[mojitojoe]

whites

[central_va]

If you can't even come to the truth that the South was a sovereign country 1861-1865 then you are a true fascist. That position places you in direct opposition to the founding principles of the US. If a Hugo Chavez type Federal takeover to happen here, there is nothing you have said that would convince me that you would not be on board with that regime as long as they "followed" the USC(commerce clause). You know full well without the threat of secession the Federal Govt. will go on unchecked from now until full communism is in effect. IMO, you are fully aware of this, making you an enemy of the republic and freedom.

Truth be told, if you were to argue that yes, the South was a sovereign nation, but in the long run we(USA) are better off as an empire, I would at least listen to your position. You would be starting from a position of honesty, but again I don't expect that. Continue with your lies and BS...

[mojitojoe]

Deny you’re pro-choice. Do it!

[lentulusgracchus]

And Alexander Stephens said that from the Southern side it was slavery that was the cause of the separation and the war that followed.

You are referring inappropriately to the "Cornerstone Speech", which represented a political statement produced by Alexander Stephens for the cause he had so recently embraced.

The "Cornerstone" needs to be contextualized properly by posting it in full, side-by-side with the full text of Stephens's remarks to the Georgia secession convention only days earlier, in which he spoke candidly about his opinion that it would be better for Georgia (and by extension the South) to remain in the Union.

Your "all about slavery" bender is actually contemporary Northern liberal and Democratic Party propaganda and not a genuinely historical perspective.

[Non-Sequitur]

If you can't even come to the truth that the South was a sovereign country 1861-1865 then you are a true fascist.

An idiotic statement if ever there was one.

[Non-Sequitur]

Double-dog-dare me first.

[mojitojoe]

You have stated that you go to work 4 PM to 12 AM CST. Now either you are lying, you post on FR while you are getting paid to work, OR others use your account and post on the same threads you do and in the same posting manner. Which is it?
I don’t work for anyone else. People work for me. I can post whenever I have nothing else to do.

[lentulusgracchus]

Wow. I actually cheered.

Concurring bump. Good post.

[Idabilly]

The first shots against the consent of the nation were lobed at Ft. Sumter.

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Let's say this current thug 'n chief signs a treaty effectively disarming (subverting the Constitution,) Americans as a whole. My State and Montana would say " F that " and Secede.

Several months pass. Several promises are made.

Thug 'n chief gives some stupid speech (like Lincoln,) claiming we The people of these two States are property of the General Government.

There is a base that we've offered to pay for which sits at the entrance that we consider our livelihood. The main entrance for imports and exports. Reinforcements arrive despite previous promises. Do we consider this an act of war? Knowing what he said in his speech. Keep in mind we've never really seen 'eye to eye'. You damned right we would - FIRE!

If that isn't good enough. Remove all that and place a few Soviet Subs outside of California. Then let a Battleship appear. Would we fire first? Reagan would. Obama would direct their fire towards conservative American. Most likely Northern Alabama.

[Non-Sequitur]

You are referring inappropriately to the "Cornerstone Speech", which represented a political statement produced by Alexander Stephens for the cause he had so recently embraced.

He was vice-president of the confederate states. If he didn't know why they rebelled then who did?

The "Cornerstone" needs to be contextualized properly by posting it in full, side-by-side with the full text of Stephens's remarks to the Georgia secession convention only days earlier, in which he spoke candidly about his opinion that it would be better for Georgia (and by extension the South) to remain in the Union.

Stephens made those remarks to the Georgia secession convention in mid-January 1861. The Cornerstone speech was two months later, not a few days. In the interim Stephens had been a leader at the Montgomery convention, helped shape the rebel constitution, and accepted the post of vice president. Your suggestion that his loyalty is suspect is somewhat ridiculous.

Feel free to check me on the dates. For all you know I'm fibbing my ass off again.

Your "all about slavery" bender is actually contemporary Northern liberal and Democratic Party propaganda and not a genuinely historical perspective.

You mean it doesn't meet current Lost Cause revisionist standards.

[Non-Sequitur]

You have stated that you go to work 4 PM to 12 AM CST.

For the timezone challenged among you it's currently 1:38 PM in KC. I'm not at work.

[Rockingham]

Quite true. Grant and the Union soldiers respected their foes and were surprised at Appomattox at how starved and bedraggled they were.

[rockrr]

You seem to have nothing else to do an awful lot of the time...lol

[Rockingham]

Apparently, many of the secessionists had an inadequate appreciation of the power of numbers and superior strength.

[Ditto]

You mean it doesn't meet current Lost Cause revisionist standards mythology.

Sorry NS, but I had to correct that for you. The Lost Causers have no standards, just myths.