Read what he said: I guess Lincoln and the entire US Officer Corps are just a bunch of liars....
Black Confederate Bump.
Posted on 05/10/2010 3:17:06 PM PDT by Davy Buck
"If Lee was a traitor (and I don't believe he was), he would be the only traitor for which a ship in the United States Navy was ever named. He would be the only traitor in Statuary Hall at the U.S. Capitol. He would be the only traitor whose image was used in a positive way to recruit military personnel to fight and win WWII. Quite an accomplishment for a "traitor", wouldn't you say. . ."
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Not hardly. There is a considerable amount of evidence that Southern blockade runners brought in the occasional slave from Cuba.
The arguments in favor of secession are not persuasive.
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Good Mornin'
Not Persuasive? Whom was the delegating authority?
Federalist #43
The first question is answered at once by recurring to the absolute necessity of the case; to the great principle of self-preservation; to the transcendent law of nature and of nature's God, which declares that the safety and happiness of society are the objects at which all political institutions aim, and to which all such institutions must be sacrificed. PERHAPS, also, an answer may be found without searching beyond the principles of the compact itself. It has been heretofore noted among the defects of the Confederation, that in many of the States it had received no higher sanction than a mere legislative ratification. The principle of reciprocality seems to require that its obligation on the other States should be reduced to the same standard. A compact between independent sovereigns, founded on ordinary acts of legislative authority, can pretend to no higher validity than a league or treaty between the parties. It is an established doctrine on the subject of treaties, that all the articles are mutually conditions of each other; that a breach of any one article is a breach of the whole treaty; and that a breach, committed by either of the parties, absolves the others, and authorizes them, if they please, to pronounce the compact violated and void.
JOHN TAYLOR of Caroline, who was a ratifier for the State of Virginia:
The sovereignties which imposed the limitations upon the federal government, far from supposing that they perished by the exercise of a part of their faculties, were vindicated, by reserving powers in which their deputy, the federal government, could not participate; and the usual right of sovereigns to alter or revoke its commissions.
March 2, 1861 - Journal of the Senate. This vote should place your concerns at rest:
28 nays to 18 yeas “Under this Constitution, as originally adopted and as it now exists, no State has power to withdraw from the jurisdiction of the United States; and this Constitution, and all laws passed in pursuance of its delegated powers, are the supreme late of the land, anything contained in any constitution, ordinance, or act of any State to the contrary notwithstanding.”
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Your insinuation to the contrary n/w/s..... no, it wasn't.
Lincoln said it was about preserving the Union. (Said.)
So if they catch this Faisal Shahzad guy, or that al-Alwaki mullah in Yemen should they be tried as traitors? These are U.S. citizens actively engaged in armed activities against the U.S. but who have renounced their citizenship. Are they traitors or not?
Rather, I'd just label them illegal combatants under Geneva, and give them what Gen. Loan gave that VC captain he caught. People caught waging undeclared wars out of uniform don't even need a formal tribunal, was my understanding -- yardarms and pistols were the traditional remedies.
In a scenario of state secession, the opinions rendered about it’s justification are irrelevent unless the person giving their opinion lives in that state. It’s the ultimate state’s only issue, no Fed or other state input matters in the pro or con. Any post secession Confederation is a seperate issue.
It's not working. Booby Lee wasn't a US Citizen 1861-1870. He was a CS citizen (1861.3)-(1865.3). From (1865.3) to (1870.9) had no citizenship at all.
Booby = Bobby. Sorry Mr. Lee my bad. RIP FRiend....
There is nothing [ that prevents secession ] in the Constitution. It was/is a right retained by the People, and their States.....
There, fixed it.
Did did not admit it because it wasn't true. There were a couple of guys in town to deliver the confederate ultimatum. There was no confederate peace delegation, because peace was the last thing they were interested in.
And Alexander Stephens said that from the Southern side it was slavery that was the cause of the separation and the war that followed.
But are they traitors or not?
Sure it is. You responded, didn't you? So if these two Taliban guys renounce their citizenship then can they be tried for treason?
But there are ways to go about seceding. And as the Supreme Court ruled, the southern states went about it the wrong way.
Read what he said: I guess Lincoln and the entire US Officer Corps are just a bunch of liars....
Black Confederate Bump.
With regards to the time and place of their acts of terrorism committed, if they were citizens at the time then the renouncing of the same US citizenship post facto matters little in this case.
The great and heroic defender of republican ideals, Mr. Robt. Lee, formally left one country for another, then acted heroically or committed crimes, depending on your perspective. The chances that someone would think Mr. Lee a criminal would depends on whether that person is a misguided fascist statist tool or not.
I’ve only read parts of his memoirs thus far but I am looking forward to reading more.
Reading peoples memoirs from private to wife to general is the best way to figure how those back then looked at each other and one thing I have not read at all by anyone is the word traitor for Lee.
Lee was respected by about every person north and south and there was much more respect for each other back then than there is today.
what idiot said that?
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The Supreme Court wasn't a party to the Compact. Secession is determined by the ultimate Supreme'o'.... The People.
Furthermore, The Supreme Court has rubber stamped some pretty blatant violations of The List of 'Shall Not'..
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