Posted on 05/10/2010 3:17:06 PM PDT by Davy Buck
"If Lee was a traitor (and I don't believe he was), he would be the only traitor for which a ship in the United States Navy was ever named. He would be the only traitor in Statuary Hall at the U.S. Capitol. He would be the only traitor whose image was used in a positive way to recruit military personnel to fight and win WWII. Quite an accomplishment for a "traitor", wouldn't you say. . ."
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I guess the "writer" hasn't heard of the USS Murtha?
Thank you.
George Washington was a traitor - for which I am glad.
They voted for secession only after the Confederacy had been created and the Civil war was started.
post ex facto much?
Ok, Lee either gave up or his US citizenship or it was taken away after 1861. Either way he was not a US citizen, I agree. I think the CSA was an independent country, but as YOU are apt to hiss, if the CSA didn't exit, then what was Lee's citizenship status after 1861? His US citizenship was restored after his death in 1870,what was his status prior IYO?
“Lee sometimes gets condemned now as a “traitor,” often by people whose concept of loyalty to the United States is unusually loose.”
Indeed.
I’m always amazed at liberals - they condemn the US every chance they get, from start to today. They cannot say the US was in the right, unless they add a qualifier (”....but...”). Except for the Civil War - when the “USA” as such was perfectly moral and without any stain. That’s the only Republican they love.
“they forfeited it all at Andersonville.”
Oh please!
You apparently have little perspective of history.
You are aware that in those days, as prior, nasty and often cruel POW conditions were the ORDER OF THE DAY, right?
Look up Pt. Lookout POW camps. Geesh; it’s not as if Andersonville is the only place that ever had cruelty and disgusting conditions.
Absurd. The VA militia was, as for all colonies, a British-approved institution. He was aide to a Redcoat.
And just that he WANTED is good enough to say he was a Redcoat.
Exactly. We need only look at our history to see both such situations.
I extend it further - insurgents win; revolution. Insurgents lose; civil war.
They were BOTH civil wars.
If you were to say that Washington was a soldier of the King, you would be accurate.
As for wanting a regular army commission, I cannot fault Washington for being ambitious and desiring a reward for his service to the King.
If he had received the desired commission, it probably would have been in this regiment.
Good post and link.
I'm not aware of when or how Lee formally relinquished his U.S. citizenship, and it would not have been taken from him until 1864.
Either way he was not a US citizen, I agree.
He would have been for at least three years, during which he was engaged in war against the United States, dual 'citizenship' notwithstanding. And I think there are some questions as to the Constitutionality of Section 14 of the Wade-Davis bill to begin with.
I think the CSA was an independent country, but as YOU are apt to hiss, if the CSA didn't exit, then what was Lee's citizenship status after 1861?
From 1861 to the summer of 1864 his status was U.S. citizen. From 1864 on his citizenship was stripped so he was actually a stateless person.
Agreed, but what is most telling is that he used only those Virginia counties that were located in West Virginia, leading to the possibility that his evidence is from their secession from Virginia after Virgina joined the Confederacy.
Agreed, but what is most telling is that he used only those Virginia counties that were located in West Virginia, leading to the possibility that his evidence is from their secession from Virginia after Virgina joined the Confederacy.
The same one who was flaming you, me, and everyone else who spoke favorably of Senator Scott Brown (R-Mass.). His screen name alludes to a recent Republican president.
A few miles from my apartment is the Governor's mansion, and next to it is the old Call family home, named for Richard Keith Call. A former governor, Call opposed secession.
When the legislature voted for secession, a crowd marched from the capitol building -- which still stands -- to Call's house and jeered and catcalled for him to come out and meet them. Call appeared on the front porch and, when the crowd quieted, said, "Gentlemen, I have only one thing to say. You have opened wide the gates of Hell."
And so they had. In the excitement of the moment, many Southerners ginned themselves up to believe that secession would be painless, or nearly so, or that the North would quickly lose to the South if war followed. Few were like Richard Keith Call and anticipated the terrible war that followed and utterly destroyed the Old South that they loved.
Abortion being one of the most hideous but, since ns is pro-abortion, he obviously supports that decision, also.
Everything is obvious when you are as simple minded as you are.
Murtha wasn't a traitor; he was a crook.
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