DOH indirectly confirms: Factcheck COLB date filed and certificate number impossible

Butterdezillion | Feb 23, 2010 | Butterdezillion

[butterdezillion]

I've updated my blog to include the e-mail from Janice Okubo confirming that they assign birth certificate numbers in the state registrar's office and the day they do that is the "Date filed by state registrar".

The pertinent portion from Okubo's e-mail:

In regards to the terms “date accepted” and “date filed” on a Hawaii birth certificate, the department has no records that define these terms. Historically, the terms “Date accepted by the State Registrar” and “Date filed by the State Registrar” referred to the date a record was received in a Department of Health office (on the island of O’ahu or on the neighbor islands of Kaua’i, Hawai’i, Maui, Moloka’i, or Lana’i), and the date a file number was placed on a record (only done in the main office located on the island of O’ahu) respectively.

MY SUMMARY: As you can see, Okubo said that the “Date filed by the State Registrar” is the date a file number was placed on a record (only done in the main office).

There are no pre-numbered certificates. A certificate given a certificate number on Aug 8th (Obama’s Factcheck COLB) would not be given a later number than a certificate given a number on Aug 11th (the Nordyke certificates).

There is no way that both the date filed and the certificate number can be correct on the Factcheck COLB. The COLB is thus proven to be a forgery.

[butterdezillion]

If you could check with her that would be awesome. Thank you.

Was anybody else here born in Hawaii? What I’m looking for is the name of the hospital and the date that the certificate was accepted by local and/or state registrar.

[Man50D]

Still doesn’t answer who would be the “right legal team” or “court”. Didn’t answer my question.

You haven't come close to reading all the information! There are multiple links, including the one I cited earlier regarding the history of the grand jury! My father is a lawyer. It took him two hours to read through all the information before he could make an informed decision that it was well reasoned. That's in addition to the time I spent reviewing all the information provided at every link!

[HighlyOpinionated]

Please your Congress people and remind them that the Fastest, Best and probably Only Way to get out of the clutches of Soros, 0bama, the Czars, Pelosi, Reid and etc, is for Congress to publicly, in front of CSPAN cameras, demand 0bama's birth certificate and college transcripts. They can ask Georgia 9th District Congressman Nathan Deal to read their demand in the House, since he's already come out publicly asking for the birth certificate and he's not running for re-election.

They MUST do this NOW or else watch the USofA spiral down the toilet of Marxist-Communism.

[butterdezillion]

Giving a file number is the mark that the record has been accepted. Whatever processing had to be done on it is done by that point.

How could a BC that completed the process and received its number on August 8th be given a later number than a BC that completed its process and received a number on August 11th?

Piles have nothing to do with it. The number is the state registrar’s confirmation that the record is considered valid. Giving a number is the last step of the process.

I would imagine that for most birth certificates, filled out at the hospital, “processing” would amount to a quick glance and then stamping with the number stamp. Maybe bgill can comment on that, although what happened at the hospital or county level would be a bit different than at the state registrar’s office.

[butterdezillion]

The pattern that seems to have been true for Kapiolani - where Obama now says he was born (as opposed to the earlier claim that it was at Queens) - is that the BC’s were collected for a week and then on Friday the doctors signed the certificates, the (deputized) local registrar at the hospital signed the certificates, and then all that week’s certificates were transmitted to the state DOH office - as required to be done weekly by Section 8 of “Public Health Regulations”, Chapter 8. The certificates were signed, delivered, and numbered on Fridays, for Kapiolani.

Doing it weekly makes sense since the requirement was that births be reported within 7 days. It would have made an orderly process.

[Jedidah]

It’s more than nice. It’s a standard to live by.

Standards, of course, must be backed up with action, but first must come a good attitude. Your mindset apparently is to just give up.

I hoped, by sending you the Burke quote, that you might re-think and begin, along with the rest of us, to search for ways to solve the problem.

[BuckeyeTexan]

When titling cars, each title clerk is given a set of tag numbers to work from. And yes, the vehicle didn’t get a tag # until all of the paperwork was completed. However, there are multiple clerks titling cars. One clear might get 10000 - 10025 and another clerk might get 10026 - 10050.

You don’t seem to understand how absolutely manual processing government records of any kind was in 1961.

[rxsid]

"the Fastest, Best and probably Only Way to get out of the clutches of Soros, 0bama, the Czars, Pelosi, Reid and etc, is for Congress to publicly, in front of CSPAN cameras, demand 0bama's birth certificate and college transcripts. They can ask Georgia 9th District Congressman Nathan Deal to read their demand in the House, since he's already come out publicly asking for the birth certificate and he's not running for re-election."

That's exactly correct. Getting him exposed as a usurper would undoubtedly bring down many of those you mention and possibly more and would be the most direct way to "nip" this crap in the "bud" so to speak. Go straight to the source to stop it.

Let's face it, so many people thought the health care legislation was buried. Yet, here we are...STILL fighting against it. They will try and rham that through with 51 votes. Many of them don't care if they get re-elected. Some have already said they are not going to run again. This is their "golden" opportunity that their movement has been waiting for, for generations and they will not readily pass on their chance to implement their socialist ideology.

And of course, there's the bottom line issue (above and beyond party politics) of trying to protect and defend the Constitution.

[rxsid]

HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN?

 

“When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.

http://fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate.html

 

It can't. Of course not. Yet, right there, on his campaign web site F.T.S., it's stated that a foreign government "governed" Barry from birth and the reason it did, was that Barry inherited that foreign citizenship by way of his foreign national father (no matter where he was born).
How, then, could he possibly be a "Natural Born Citizen" of the U.S.?
Barry Soetoro, the divided citizen at birth!

http://www.jeffersonsrebels.blogspot.com

 

Furthermore:  Hawaii's Territorial Law, Chapter 57 - "VITAL STATISTICS, I", shown beginning pg 23 of 29, (the law in effect in 1961) allowed baby's born anywhere in the world to be eligible to apply for a Hawaii birth certificate based on the word of 1 relative. That is how a foreign born baby could get a HI BC on record, which in turn generates the "birth announcements" in the newspapers.

[Danae]

http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_3.jpg
BR> Nordyle Long Form: http://nocompromisemedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/090728birthcert.gif



What does this mean? If Obama's birth was registered on August 8 1969 the Certificate number: 151 1961 010641 would have come before the Nordyke twins which was registered on Aug 11th 1961. The Nordyke BC shows a certificate number of: 151 61 10637. You can I think discount the difference between 61 and 1961 because MY Long form has a 69 there and a 1969 on the Computer printed COLB. Same PERHAPS with the first 0 in the third set of numbers (010641 and 10637). On MY Documents, that third set of numbers is identical, both are 6 digits long. Take that for what it is worth, it raises my eyebrow, but not that far.

Now what Butter is saying here is that is Obamas birth was accepted by the state and FILED on August 8, his Certificate number would have come BEFORE the Nordyke BC which was accepted and FILED 3 days LATER.

Obama Born Aug 4 Filed Aug 8 Cert #010641 Nordyke Born Aug 5 Filed Aug 11 Cert #10637 Obama's filed BEFORE Nordyke and given a certification number on that day (Aug 8)... has a Cert number AFTER Nordyke which was given a Cert # that is lower, three days later (Aug 11)?

If the FILED day is the day that the state issues a certification number onto a record, then it is impossible that the number on Obama's supposed COLB is correct. If it WERE, then his number would have come BEFORE the Nordyke BC, because the state issues the numbers in order in the way they are received.

Nordyke can't have a number that falls before the date it was filed, or Obama's can't have one that falls after Nordyke. The numbers do not jive. A =/= B

[Danae]

Sure thing. Technically speaking the Hospital is listed as: “Kaiser Foundation Hospital”

[plinyelder]

Thank You!

A Very Good and Well Thought Out Response!

(May I steal it .. LOL) <— just kidding

[Electric Graffiti]

Mark for later reading. Butterdezillion you’re amazing and a FR treasure(already). It’s always a joy to read your posts.

[airborne]

Obama would be martyred by the left (and it would be set up to be pinned on a right wing extremist) before they would allow this to come to light.

And it is my personal belief that the vast majority of elected Republicans either already know or suspect, and are complicit in the cover up.

That being said, this is excellent detective work! This is what the “state run media” was supposed to do. The Founding Fathers would probably round up many of them for treason!

[BonRad]

“We could get a certified copy of a BC saying Nobama was born on Mars and it would not matter. No one would do a thing about it. No one would even having “standing”. It just doesn’t matter now.”

Now that’s too cynical. No. There would be insurrection, much in the military. SCOTUS would be petitioned immediately and would hear immediately and rule against ozer0. ozer0 would be deposed and Biden rushed in inside a few HOURS.
You are WAAAYY TOOO CYNICAL.

[Electric Graffiti]

the State Department has stated in response to a FOIA request that they do not have a U.S. Passport application on file for Barack H. Obama," he explained. (berg)

Wow....They need to check under the name Barry Obama. I'm convinced that was his given name [legal name] and he had to change it before running for Potus.

[BuckeyeTexan]

When titling cars, each title clerk is given a set of tag numbers to work from. And yes, the vehicle didn’t get a tag # until all of the paperwork was completed. However, there are multiple clerks titling cars. One clear might get 10000 - 10025 and another clerk might get 10026 - 10050.

You don’t seem to understand how absolutely manual processing government records of any kind was in 1961.

Unless you fully understand the exact process that the registrar’s office clerks used to process birth certificates in 1961, you simply can’t say with certainty that the date and certificate number combination are impossible.

It is likely that multiple clerks processed those records and it has been proved that the babies were not born on the same day and the certificates not filed on the same day. It is even more likely that different clerks processed the certificates. And if each clerk was assigned a particular numerical set of cert numbers to use in processing the records, it is even more likely that the cert numbers would be significantly out of whack.

[butterdezillion]

The DOH manually stamps the birth certificates they are given. There are no pre-numbered piles. It doesn’t equate with what you’re saying about tags where each clerk has their own pile of tags.

You could say that clerk #1 gets to stamp certs #1-100 and clerk #2 gets to stamp certs #101-200. But the range that one clerk uses would have to be pretty large to account for 3 days’ difference. The difference between the Factcheck number and the Nordyke number is 3.

It doesn’t make sense.

[BP2]

Obama's August 4th CertificaTION dates and higher certificate number continues to be vexed by
the Nordyke's August 5th CertificATE dates and lower certificate numbers:

Name	Location of Birth	Birth Cert #	(Day) Date/Time Born	Date of Signature of Parent or Other Informant	(Day) Date Accepted by Local Reg.	Diff bet Date born & Accepted by Local Reg.
Barack Hussein Obama	Kapiolani Medical Center	151-61-10641	Aug. 4, 1961 7:24 pm	unknown	* Aug. 8, 1961	4 days
Susan Elizabeth Nordyke	Kapiolani Medical Center	151-61-10637	Aug. 5, 1961 2:12 pm	Aug 8, 1961	Aug 11, 1961	6 days
Grethen Carter Nordyke	Kapiolani Medical Center	151-61-10638	Aug. 5, 1961 2:17 pm	Aug 8, 1961	Aug 11, 1961	6 days

* Note: Obama’s Certification states “Date Filed by (State) Registrar” instead of “Date Accepted by Registrar”

[patlin]

What you don't seem to understand is that the number is given after the filing & accepting of the birth registration information.

Take a look at the Nordyke long form birth certs:

http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/dailypix/2009/Jul/28/M1139416728.GIF

The Nordyke births were signed by the attending physician on Aug 11th, and then subsequently filed and given their file numbers on Aug 11, 1961. Paperwork did not just sit and pile up and these 2 certs from the same week prove it.

So your theory of let the pile accrue thus why Obama’s number could be later than that of the Nordyke twins is absolutely ‘conspiracy theory’ in your own mind and that of the obots.

‘0’bamby has some explaining to do & his original birth cert should be released immediately based on the information in the Nordyke birth certs.