DOH indirectly confirms: Factcheck COLB date filed and certificate number impossible

Butterdezillion | Feb 23, 2010 | Butterdezillion

[butterdezillion]

I've updated my blog to include the e-mail from Janice Okubo confirming that they assign birth certificate numbers in the state registrar's office and the day they do that is the "Date filed by state registrar".

The pertinent portion from Okubo's e-mail:

In regards to the terms “date accepted” and “date filed” on a Hawaii birth certificate, the department has no records that define these terms. Historically, the terms “Date accepted by the State Registrar” and “Date filed by the State Registrar” referred to the date a record was received in a Department of Health office (on the island of O’ahu or on the neighbor islands of Kaua’i, Hawai’i, Maui, Moloka’i, or Lana’i), and the date a file number was placed on a record (only done in the main office located on the island of O’ahu) respectively.

MY SUMMARY: As you can see, Okubo said that the “Date filed by the State Registrar” is the date a file number was placed on a record (only done in the main office).

There are no pre-numbered certificates. A certificate given a certificate number on Aug 8th (Obama’s Factcheck COLB) would not be given a later number than a certificate given a number on Aug 11th (the Nordyke certificates).

There is no way that both the date filed and the certificate number can be correct on the Factcheck COLB. The COLB is thus proven to be a forgery.

[parsifal]

No, you got it backwards. More a social conservative, and conservative everything except economics. But anyway, I added a link. BTW, if you see someone named “Captain Quest”, that’s my “Sanity Squad” superhero name.

parsy, who by day is a mild mannered .....

[Danae]

August 1961

S M Tu W Th F S
1 2 3 4 5
6 7 8 9 10 11 12
13 14 15 16 17 18 19
20 21 22 23 24 25 26
27 28 29 30 31

August 1969

S M Tu W Th F S
1 2
3 4 5 6 7 8 9
10 11 12 13 14 15 16
17 18 19 20 21 22 23
24 25 26 27 28 29 30
31

As is clear the dates “Filed On” fall on three different days. I don’t think that the DOH did them on a single day. The Dr. who did the delivery would have been responsible for signing the forms for the birth he/she attended. So unless all three bables were delivered by the same Dr. having all the forms pile up onto one desk, out of order, and “Filed” on different days seems too big a strech.

Take my BC information for example. Mine was signed by the MD on the 13th of August, it got to the DOH the next day and THAT day the 14th, is when if was filed and given a number on the 14th. So it is plausable that a document could get signed the day before it was filed in the DOH. Give it a little more room, say it got to the DOH late in the day on the 14th, maybe it would not have gotten filed till the 15th, but that would have been 8 days after my birth so thats unlikely in my case, and indeed didn’t happen, it was filed on the 14th.

So, the Nordyke Cert gets SIGNED on the 11th, and is filed on the 11th. So we know that a doc. can get signed the day before, and the day of and be filed. This means that Obama’s was signed the day before the Filed Date or the day of the filing date. By CIRCUMSTANCE, because of the DATE on the documents, Obama’s (if Legit) HAS to have a lower number than Nordyke. It was filed three days before Nordyke’s was even signed be the delivering doctor and filed with the state.

It DOESN’T. Its AFTER Nordyke.

The only way I can see that as possible is if the delivering doctor was the same, and held onto all of the forms until the 11th of August, and sent them in all at once, and Obama’s Filed on date was changed to match the signature date of the attending Physician who delivered him. That makes no sense however, because the 11th would have been inside the window for the 7 day filing requirement. Why is the 8th listed? Simplest answer is because that is the actual date it was filed... unless it is a forgery.

I find it very interesting to note this however, The Dunham’s and the Nordyke’s KNEW each other. Those twin girls and Barry went to Punahoe together.

http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2008/Dec/22/ln/hawaii812220320.html

[butterdezillion]

The date it was filed is not the date that the local registrar gets it. The date it was filed is the day that the STATE REGISTRAR puts a number on it.

For Obama’s to have a date filed of the 8th, it would have had to be stamped with a number at the state registrar’s office on Tuesday, Aug 8th.

For the Nordykes’ to have date filed of the 11th, they would have to be stamped with a number at the state registrar’s office on Friday, Aug 11th.

Why would the clerk at the state registrar’s office use a number on Friday that comes before the number he/she used on Tuesday?

And the reason I say the local registrar signed it right before taking it to the state registrar’s office is because that’s how the dates and signatures fall on every birth certificate I’ve seen from Kapiolani during the statehood era.

Except one. There is one case where Friday was a national holiday (Christmas Eve) so the local registrar didn’t sign it until the following Thursday - when he/she realized that, once again, the office was going to be closed on a Friday for New Year’s Eve and so the BC’s had to be signed and delivered to the DOH a day early.

[DouglasKC]

butterdezillion also left out this little nugget. It is difficult for me to respond to your request because I do not possess a legal background. I can verify that sufficient evidentiary requirements must be met for the DOH to issue a certificate of live birth. If Obama's online COLB is not a forgery, then the above statement indicates that he submitted sufficient evidence to obtain a COLB, does it not?

Yes, but that evidence is really not that difficult. It's listed on the DOH website. Basically a signed statement from his Grandmother would have been sufficient.

[curiosity]

If it WERE, then his number would have come BEFORE the Nordyke BC, because the state issues the numbers in order in the way they are received.

Right. And as we know, state clerks always receive certificates in the same order as the births. Papers never get shuffled around in a pile, and they never get to the clerk out of order. It's impossible, because hospital staff obviously don't have anything better to do with their than to make sure piles of papers are in exactly the correct order before they send them to the registrar. /sarcasm

[BP2]

> Two August 1961 birth certificates does not a pattern make.

On its own, maybe or maybe not.
Everything can be explained away like you're doing now.

But Credibility matters in the "Court of Law" as well as the "Court of Public Opinion". Even an unskilled "law professor" like Obama knows this. Charisma, sophistry and a sharp-looking suit only goes so far when the witnesses' stories stink to high hell.

What is the likelihood Obama has lied about or covered up facts surrounding his birth? Put another way ...

On the scale of LIES vs TRUTHS, where is Obama's Credibility?

Even his supporters — who Obama's lied to the most — know the answer to this.

No matter how you may try to defend Obama ... you KNOW this is true.

And YES it DOES matter.

[BuckeyeTexan]

You’re not getting it.

There wouldn’t have been control numbers printed on the forms sent out to various hospitals. As final approval of the local hospital registrar’s work, a clerk in the state/county registrar’s office assigns and stamps the certificate number.

And as far as multiple nurses being registrars at different hospitals, that is absolutely a likely scenario. It’s the same for titling cars, each dealership has a title clerk who is a notary authorized by the state (at least here in Texas).

We would take our paperwork to the county office where we stood and waited for 30 minutes while the county clerk quickly reviewed the paperwork and returned to us anything that was in error.

While there, we received a new set of tags and a book of tag numbers. This was in 1986 - 1990 well before that stuff was computerized.

[butterdezillion]

Anybody has standing to report crimes to law enforcement (except to the US attorneys, apparently, according to mine).

If a bunch of us were reporting this maybe law enforcement would realize we are not asleep.

The courts can ignore us. Law enforcement only can until the groundswell is too much to contain.

[ilovesarah2012]

I don’t troll.

I don’t agree with the homosexual agenda and I don’t believe Nobama will ever be thrown out because of where he was or wasn’t born. If he is, I will be the first to celebrate.

[mojitojoe]

Before I even read anything I find, I do a screen shot of the entire page. I save it to BOTH of my external hard drives. I have a folder for each month. One one drive the folders are dated year and month I found it, the other drive they folders are dated the month and year it was actually posted. I save You Tube videos too. They disappear fast and on a regular basis. make no mistake about it, the O team “owns” You Tube. If they want it removed, You Tube does it.

[mojitojoe]

Canada

[Danae]

It isn’t a hospital registrar. The registrar is a local functionary, an employee of the state. On mine it is CK Hada who was listed as a “Deputy” in the box labled “11a Registrar-signature”. Remember my Long form is a bit different than the Nordyke form, they changed them in the 8 years between my birth and the Nordyke twins.

Be that as it may, the Dr. who delivered me signed it the 13th, and it was filed by the registrar the next day. The Registrar was clearly not present when the document was signed by the Dr. because that registrar dated his(her?) signature for the 14th, the date it was filed by the state.

Registrars are likely not present when the Dr. signs the forms.

[mojitojoe]

Maybe his real dad is Gramps. His real mother the black bar maid.

[Danae]

No, she said they had his birth records. That does not mean that he was born there, but be that as it may, much of what has come out og the DOH is very calculated and you really have to - forgive me - parse what they say and what they do NOT say. Tricksey they are yes?

[diji]

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[bgill]

The Hawaii AG’s office refuses to say whether Fukino’s statement was legal. I suspect it’s because they know it’s not - because Fukino is not allowed to make such a disclosure, AND because she cannot legally conclude what she did about his birthplace because Obama has never presented his birth records as evidence to her or anybody else.

She admitted she can't make legal statements with her email to you. Her last sentence is nothing but words strung together as it once again verifies nothing about the usurper:

"It is difficult for me to respond to your request because I do not possess a legal background. I can verify that sufficient evidentiary (sp) requirements must be met for the DOH to issue a certificate of live birth."

[Red Steel]

You’re not getting it.

There wouldn’t have been control numbers printed on the forms sent out to various hospitals.

Of course not that's what I said, OR let nurses add the the control numbers to the forms.

And as far as multiple nurses being registrars at different hospitals, that is absolutely a likely scenario. It’s the same for titling cars, each dealership has a title clerk who is a notary authorized by the state (at least here in Texas).

You are the one who never gets it. You would not let the control numbers be applied to the BCs until they were ready to be filed into the records, especially not in a manual system of 1961.

[butterdezillion]

When my kids were born there was an office worker who came around and had my sign the birth certificate form. She also asked me if I wanted a social security card and the birth to be announced in the paper.

Nurses don’t have time to do that. There is an administrator at hospitals who do that stuff, just like there are administrators who do the check-in and check-out paperwork.

The local registrar on the birth certificate of “Alan”, born at Army Tripler Hospital, is a military officer. One of the Kapiolani birth certificates posted online has a hand-written note by the “local registrar” saying “Deputy”. And the DOH rules allow for deputy registrars to be appointed at the approval of the state registrar. I doubt that the state registrar would approve every nurse at every hospital as a deputy registrar.

The certificate number was given at the state registrar’s office.

[BuckeyeTexan]

Read my posts about how I titled cars as an employee of a dealership while an authorized title clerk and notary for the State of Texas. Having a head nurse be a notary and registrar who witnesses the physician’s signature is absolutely within the realm of reason. Someone with state authority has to witness the doctor’s signature. Otherwise the veracity of the document cannot be attested to by the state.

[BuckeyeTexan]

I never said that nurses were adding control numbers. You’re just making up stuff.