Posted on 11/15/2008 6:48:02 PM PST by palmer
It's apparent that a combination of fervent believers and a small number of psychopaths and/or infiltrators have dominated the birth certificate discussion. The early evidence was in their favor and everyone should have been skeptical of the low res images on Kos, smears and politifact. The new evidence is not and is not being addressed objectively.
But photo #5 (and some of the others) is a genuine photograph of an artifact. It was not created in photoshop. That doesn't mean photoshop was not involved. A plausible set of steps is
1. Scan a real COLB including the border
2. Import into photoshop and change the text to Obama's text
3. Print the result onto the cross hatched paper (could be forged separately)
4. Obtain a embossing seal and apply it to the printout 5. Fold it as if it came from an envelope and display it to the factcheck photographer.
Another plausible scenario is someone in the Hawaii office did all the forging but on the official equipment and using the official seal. Another possibility is someone stole a seal and sold it to a forger. It is certainly possible for a forger to make a seal using the right equipment (probably a laser etcher).
The Kenya trip meme seemed to turn into an established fact in early July when proposed by null and void and properly ridiculed. Even into November null and void can only repeat her hypothesis (a honeymoon) apparently unwilling or unable to embellish it further.
Polarik surrounds himself with a number of true believers and useful idiots. The useful idiots are the ones who validate or praise his analysis while obviously not knowing anything about it. The true believers have convinced themselves that Obama was not born in Honolulu and are unable to evaluate the evidence objectively.
In their favor, the true believers have established that Obama has potential Indonesian citizenship (courtesy of Soetoro) as well as potential Kenyan citizenship (courtesy of Obama Sr). These are true regardless of where Obama was born. For the former the Kenyan citizenship would have to be activated by Obama. For the latter, Soetoro would have had to apply to make Obama an Indonesian citizen, it does not happen automatically via adoption.
The bottom line for Polarik is he has yet to address the certificate linked above. He has promised to do this for weeks now and is instead disseminating and repeating his various diatribes against Obama. My guess based on his past behavior is that he will release a rehash of the evidence against the old scan (Kos, smears, politifact) with a bit of new verbiage against the factcheck photos. He will properly point out some oddities in some of the photos while ignoring the obvious salient features in the decent photos such as number 5.
He and I have already argued about the seal (embossing) in number 5 and he claims it is a perfect circle (therefore forged). I showed that it wasn't http://i433.photobucket.com/albums/qq51/palmer2/circle.jpg and he replied with a very similar result except he used some edge detection first. He obviously just fools with some tools, but doesn't obtain any useful results. When it comes to image analysis he is a dabbler, not an expert.
With cover from his defenders he establishes a "sensitive" personality claiming that he is being ruthlessly attacked. He says that as a result he will stop posting on the certificate issue when he is done with his final writeup. I don't know if that's a real sensitivity or faked, but even if it is faked there are thousands more that will step into his shoes if he disappears.
That thread and others contain useful nuggets about other Obama problems. There are alternative threads that speak to real evidence although some of those get beaten down by the Polarik army. Polarik's followers also use Freepmail to spread gossip about posters like myself and allegedly (according to them) posted about me on another forum.
That is all good. The more publicity I get on this particular issue, the better. But I remain concerned that FreeRepublic will have the appearance of a conspiracy site because only a rather intensive conspiracy could produce the evidence photographed by Factcheck.
I am also concerned that Factcheck and others might be deliberately planting poor quality evidence in an attempt to hook in the Polariks of the world and their followers. That would not necessarily require a conspiracy although I admit it has the flavor of one. It is to the liberal opposition's benefit to keep as many people on false trails as possible not just to waste their time but to portray them as unhinged. That result was detrimental in the last election and will be detrimental in 2010 and 2012.
IMO of course.
He supplied something, I'm not sure it was affidavits or not, but the lower court threw it out. He also supplied loose allegations of forgery written by Polarik so I suspect that Berg doesn't lacks judgment when sorting out evidence.
Yes, there is wording in the law that failure to properly register makes one ineligible for federal employment. I don't know if that applies to elected officials.
Good people are smart people and know the difference between debate and insults. They will stay !....:o)
Good thing here is most are willing to admit when they make a mistake. Most anyway......LOL !
Stay safe Palmer !
I agree completely. But if you elaborate further on where you would obtain those items, I would point out the trail of evidence you would leave behind. Granted that evidence (e.g. your purchase of the stamper in a back alley in Honolulu) might not surface for years.
The title of this post is very exaggerated.
The problem lies in the fact that Hawaii had a loophole that most states do not have- they may be the only state that had it. Sheesh, I hope you at least know about that if you are going to start a thread about it.
I don’t disagree with you. My point to palmer was that the Certificate of live birth was required for me to obtain my passport. The document issued by the hospital is not a state document and is not a citizenship document. It simply states that I was born in X hospital on this day, to these parents, by this physician.
When I went to get a passport, I had to go back to the municipality and obtain this document, as the hospital issued document was not an official state document.
Free Republic becoming a conspiracy site?
From Free Republic’s front page on Dec 15, 1996 via the WayBackMachine:
“On these pages we hope to bring you news of the nation not only from the mainstream media, but also from lesser known sources - small papers, newsletters, talk shows, government publications, online websites, and gasp, even from conspiracy theorists (sometimes there really are fires beneath all that smoke).”
http://web.archive.org/web/19961221165158/http://freerepublic.com/
You are either an O-Bot or you are not too swift.
Pay attention:
Factcheck is useless. It is run by Annenberg and Obama cronies.
A COLB proves nothing - Zero, ZIP, ******* Nothing - got it.
The COLB was a forgery. Look it up.
Why show the public a shoddy forgery of a COLB? Maybe you are hiding something like maybe you were born in Kenya.
And no it is not adequate in most circumstances. People taking their kids to Little League need a real birth cerificate. A forged COLB won’t cut it.
The evidence that Obama is hiding something is as overwhelming as the number of vanity posts that don’t offer any new news on the subject.
17 cases in 12 states including now Alan Keyes in CA.
It’s before the Supreme Court.
Hopefully, they will settle this soon, or you can count on seeing plenty more suits related to this issue from now until kingdom come.
Also, never seen an issue the moderators cannot handle.
I am not familiar with what Alan Keyes did. Was there any indication that he was planning on running for President or did it all come about after the birth certificate issue came into play?
You hit the nail on the head. Obama can quash all of this, put the matter to rest, and make us all look like tin-foil-hat conspiracy nuts very quickly and simply by producing a birth certificate. The fact that he has not done this, when there is every advantage for him to do it, is very suspicious.
And the alleged selective service forgery just adds more weight to the matter.
It uses the same font as other printed numbers, but larger and bolded.
Most people aren't adopted by a foreigner and have citizenship in two other countries. It is not unreasonable to have a candidate for the highest office show his birth certificate and prove he is eligible. Some of us needed to show a birth certificate for much less important jobs.
We still have free speech - right?
I mean at least until late January unless America refuses to be duped by forged COLBs.
SCOTUS was weasley in 2000 and after the response to that they'll be even more hesitant.
1 million just for you Palmer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVoJZEdM0K4
Wayne Root has 1 million for the Columbia school records also...so you’re looking at 2 million easy money from conspiracy nut jobs....knock yourself out.
Your scholarship is fine......but your understanding of human nature is quite flawed. Take it from one who has made his living from observing human nature for decades.
If someone is hiding something, it’s simply because he/she has something to hide.
Don’t ignore the obvious in your pursuit of the truth. Obama has seen to it that his birth records are sealed through court order.
Now, I only ask.....just ask yourself........why.
It’s usually customary to ping the person you are critiquing.
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