Posted on 11/15/2008 6:48:02 PM PST by palmer
It's apparent that a combination of fervent believers and a small number of psychopaths and/or infiltrators have dominated the birth certificate discussion. The early evidence was in their favor and everyone should have been skeptical of the low res images on Kos, smears and politifact. The new evidence is not and is not being addressed objectively.
But photo #5 (and some of the others) is a genuine photograph of an artifact. It was not created in photoshop. That doesn't mean photoshop was not involved. A plausible set of steps is
1. Scan a real COLB including the border
2. Import into photoshop and change the text to Obama's text
3. Print the result onto the cross hatched paper (could be forged separately)
4. Obtain a embossing seal and apply it to the printout 5. Fold it as if it came from an envelope and display it to the factcheck photographer.
Another plausible scenario is someone in the Hawaii office did all the forging but on the official equipment and using the official seal. Another possibility is someone stole a seal and sold it to a forger. It is certainly possible for a forger to make a seal using the right equipment (probably a laser etcher).
The Kenya trip meme seemed to turn into an established fact in early July when proposed by null and void and properly ridiculed. Even into November null and void can only repeat her hypothesis (a honeymoon) apparently unwilling or unable to embellish it further.
Polarik surrounds himself with a number of true believers and useful idiots. The useful idiots are the ones who validate or praise his analysis while obviously not knowing anything about it. The true believers have convinced themselves that Obama was not born in Honolulu and are unable to evaluate the evidence objectively.
In their favor, the true believers have established that Obama has potential Indonesian citizenship (courtesy of Soetoro) as well as potential Kenyan citizenship (courtesy of Obama Sr). These are true regardless of where Obama was born. For the former the Kenyan citizenship would have to be activated by Obama. For the latter, Soetoro would have had to apply to make Obama an Indonesian citizen, it does not happen automatically via adoption.
The bottom line for Polarik is he has yet to address the certificate linked above. He has promised to do this for weeks now and is instead disseminating and repeating his various diatribes against Obama. My guess based on his past behavior is that he will release a rehash of the evidence against the old scan (Kos, smears, politifact) with a bit of new verbiage against the factcheck photos. He will properly point out some oddities in some of the photos while ignoring the obvious salient features in the decent photos such as number 5.
He and I have already argued about the seal (embossing) in number 5 and he claims it is a perfect circle (therefore forged). I showed that it wasn't http://i433.photobucket.com/albums/qq51/palmer2/circle.jpg and he replied with a very similar result except he used some edge detection first. He obviously just fools with some tools, but doesn't obtain any useful results. When it comes to image analysis he is a dabbler, not an expert.
With cover from his defenders he establishes a "sensitive" personality claiming that he is being ruthlessly attacked. He says that as a result he will stop posting on the certificate issue when he is done with his final writeup. I don't know if that's a real sensitivity or faked, but even if it is faked there are thousands more that will step into his shoes if he disappears.
That thread and others contain useful nuggets about other Obama problems. There are alternative threads that speak to real evidence although some of those get beaten down by the Polarik army. Polarik's followers also use Freepmail to spread gossip about posters like myself and allegedly (according to them) posted about me on another forum.
That is all good. The more publicity I get on this particular issue, the better. But I remain concerned that FreeRepublic will have the appearance of a conspiracy site because only a rather intensive conspiracy could produce the evidence photographed by Factcheck.
I am also concerned that Factcheck and others might be deliberately planting poor quality evidence in an attempt to hook in the Polariks of the world and their followers. That would not necessarily require a conspiracy although I admit it has the flavor of one. It is to the liberal opposition's benefit to keep as many people on false trails as possible not just to waste their time but to portray them as unhinged. That result was detrimental in the last election and will be detrimental in 2010 and 2012.
IMO of course.
Obama may have a foreign parent. But he also has a foreign view of the United States Constitution, and of his obligation to abide by it.
>It doesn’t look like anything else on the document.
It’s in a different font. While the main part of the document is in Helvetica, the certificate number isn’t (look at the downward stroke on the 1 and notice how it slopes more than Helvetica) - the “This copy serves...” at the bottom is in the same font as the certificate number.
After reading 2000 out of the 6000+ post thread, I was pretty familiar, but obviously will never be to the level you are. If this trip to Kenya was all figured out in early July, why didn't Berg have affidavits before recently (i.e. for his lower court case)?
Would that be a certain octogenarian of Hungarian origin?
One thing that just occured to me is how this Birth Certificate thing could really comprimise a president. Can you imagine the black-mail a foreign country could hold over our president, if they have solid and undeniable proof that he was born in another country? They could take it to the floor of the UN like Hugo Chevez did, and would at the very least, extremly embarass our nation and harm the office of the presidency. grief, what a horrible thought. Obama, please give us proof you are who you say you are.
If nothing else, doesn’t that settle the “certificate of live birth not being the same as the birth certificate” thing?
I will leave you to do the search that people have already done. But you can start here...
http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/codification/proclamations/04771.html
Under the law, Zero would have had to register any of the six days starting with July 28th, 1980 . His registration is roundstamped on July 29th, 1980 and he signed it on July 30, 1980
The only reason this story has legs is that Obama, rather than producing the basic documents you did for your part time, he has chosen to pay many thousands of dollars to lawyers to prevent him having to disclose them
When an inaccuracy is posted, that does not change it into a truthful statement.
Uh, calling welfare a tax cut is not exactly honest.
Palmer has been palming something, I reckon.
I post about certain facts so that you can improve your case. I realize I go beyond that (e.g. questioning the evidence of the Kenya trip). I also pointed out that Polarik did a poor job analyzing of the factcheck certificate that I have linked, and I just pinged him now too. But you consider that attack on you and Polarik as support for Obama? Do you think you would have a better case if I didn't point out the deficiencies in your case?
A man must be registered to be eligible for jobs in the Executive Branch of the Federal government and the U.S. Postal Service. Proof of registration is required only for men born after December 31, 1959.
http://www.sss.gov/FSbenefits.htm
exactly.
Probably because all the other basic facts of the case were legally sufficient to force Obama to just simply SHOW US his birth certificate. After the charade presented by the lower court judge (a Clinton appointee), he was forced to provide additional concrete evidence and he had the actual one-on-one interview with the grandmother. Geez, dude, just how dedicated to providing Obama with cover are you? Rahm, is that you?
Thanks. And what's your opinion of the copy of the birth certificate on the KOS site?
Thanks, Lucy. I think Palmer is a paid operative for Obama or the DNC. A paid operative would need to discredit Polarik as quickly as possible, and, sure enough, that’s where he’s going. Eventually, Palmer will make some kind of mistake.
Read FactCheck’s defense of Obama on the 2nd Amendment for an idea how dishonest these folks are.
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